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zurich is only partly business: it's also a play town, ready to serve the leisure whims of people with a lot of time on their hands. you can therefore get anything you want in zurich. and the city stewards really take care with how the place looks, and it looks like a jewel. and swiss people are not 'unfriendly', that's so ridiculous and pretty rude.
They organize street parades and it says it all ...
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Re: Isn't Zurich extremely boring?

I lived in Zurich for two years before moving to Vaud. I love going back to the "big city" to visit. Lots to do if you make an effort to look!
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*Ahem* Bern is the Capital of Switzerland.
ahem. no it isn't.
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ahem. no it isn't.
Are there any other countries out there with a similar model to Switzerland (i.e. - "unofficial, but de jure capitals"?) It certainly is an unusual concept to how the rest of the world works..
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rather another boring thread with repeating questions, advices, tips...
All of the OP's threads are like this with the same silly questions and thus incredibly repetitive, hence my original comment.
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Are there any other countries out there with a similar model to Switzerland (i.e. - "unofficial, but de jure capitals"?) It certainly is an unusual concept to how the rest of the world works..
Not really. Take the Netherlands for example. The Hague is the seat of the legislature, like Bern, but Amsterdam is the capital simply because the constitution says it is. Swiss law is pretty specific that Bern is not the capital because it defines it as something else but London isn't legally the capital - but it's widely accepted as such.
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Are there any other countries out there with a similar model to Switzerland (i.e. - "unofficial, but de jure capitals"?) It certainly is an unusual concept to how the rest of the world works..
You have similar models like Zürich & Geneva in other countries
-- Toronto & Montreal are not capital, but Ottawa is
-- Melbourne & Sydney are not Capital, but Canberra is
-- Rio de Janeiro & Sao Paulo are not Capital, but Brasilia is
-- Capital of the Ivory Coast is not Abidan but Yamossoukrou
-- Capital of Tanzania is not Dar-es-Salaam but Dodoma


In Germany, the following ministries are located in Bonn still

Bundesministerien[Bearbeiten]
Folgende Bundesministerien haben hier ihren ersten Dienstsitz:

Bundesministerium der Verteidigung (BMVg)
Bundesministerium für Ernährung und Landwirtschaft (BMEL)
Bundesministerium für wirtschaftliche Zusammenarbeit und Entwicklung (BMZ)
Bundesministerium für Umwelt, Naturschutz, Bau und Reaktorsicherheit (BMUB)
Bundesministerium für Gesundheit (BMG)
Bundesministerium für Bildung und Forschung (BMBF)

which in a way makes Bonn a kind of Capital Dependance

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Not really. Take the Netherlands for example. The Hague is the seat of the legislature, like Bern, but Amsterdam is the capital simply because the constitution says it is. Swiss law is pretty specific that Bern is not the capital because it defines it as something else but London isn't legally the capital - but it's widely accepted as such.
london isnt the captal
for real?
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london isnt the captal
for real?
I don't know of any piece of legislation that says London is the capital.

The Houses of Parliament are actually located in Westminster, so if you want to use that as a basis for a capital, then the city of Westminster is the capital of the Unilted Kingdom, not London. London may be the overlying region, but Americans consider Washington to be their capital, not the district of Columbia. Likewise Paris is the French capital, not the Ile de France. Greater London, ot the London Region, or whatever are more akin to the District of Columbia or the Ile de France than they are to an incorporated city.

But these arguments aside, the Houses of Parliament is just the place, by matter of convention, where Parliament convenes. There is no reason they shouldn't convene in another location, and there have in fact in history been instances of parliament meeting elsewhere. The setup is thus de facto and not strictly binding.
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ahem. no it isn't.

Well politically it is.
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You have similar models like Zürich & Geneva in other countries
-- Toronto & Montreal are not capital, but Ottawa is
-- Melbourne & Sydney are not Capital, but Canberra is
-- Rio de Janeiro & Sao Paulo are not Capital, but Brasilia is
-- Capital of the Ivory Coast is not Abidan but Yamossoukrou
-- Capital of Tanzania is not Dar-es-Salaam but Dodoma


In Germany, the following ministries are located in Bonn still

Bundesministerien[Bearbeiten]
Folgende Bundesministerien haben hier ihren ersten Dienstsitz:

Bundesministerium der Verteidigung (BMVg)
Bundesministerium für Ernährung und Landwirtschaft (BMEL)
Bundesministerium für wirtschaftliche Zusammenarbeit und Entwicklung (BMZ)
Bundesministerium für Umwelt, Naturschutz, Bau und Reaktorsicherheit (BMUB)
Bundesministerium für Gesundheit (BMG)
Bundesministerium für Bildung und Forschung (BMBF)

which in a way makes Bonn a kind of Capital Dependance
Israel has a similar situation with Tel Aviv vs. Jerusalem, with the whole thing additionally having an international political component with many countries refusing to acknowledge that Jerusalem is capital and keeping their embassies in Tel Aviv.
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...but Americans consider Washington to be their capital, not the district of Columbia. Likewise Paris is the French capital, not the Ile de France. Greater London, ot the London Region, or whatever are more akin to the District of Columbia or the Ile de France than they are to an incorporated city.
Not quite correct - Washington is the District of Columbia, and in fact, the full name is "Washington D.C." (to distinguish from Washington State out west). Your analogy with Greater London, or the London Region, would be more accurate with what we call "Washington metro area", which includes D.C., Northern Virginia, and Maryland.

The capital is most definitely D.C., or The District, as some residents like to call it to distinguish from the greater metro area. I found that a lot of District residents are really adamant to point out that they live in D.C., not in Northern VA (or, to a lesser extent, Maryland) even though it's just across the river.

...greetings from D.C., where traffic is crazy this week due to The U.S.-Africa Leaders Summit.
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...but I have lived in Washington, DC, and lemme tell you, Zurich has way more happening. Washington DC at 3am is dead.

Sorry, not a chance. Not at 3am, not at 4am, not at 5am. You've been hanging out in the wrong spots!

Having said that, I partied wildly both in Zurich and in D.C. (and I might have done so in other places I lived in)...so OP, it's gotta be you!


Really liked Faltrad's and Amogles' city portraits. Among those listed:
  • I have suffered in Paris, and finally got around to not disliking it in the last couple of years, but I don't think I could be convinced to move there ever again.
  • I am very fond of visiting London, but I never actually lived there - yet.
  • Amsterdam was pretty to visit, but it's the only place I've been to where I was appalled by the local food and culinary traditions (or lack thereof).
  • Living in Tel Aviv was fantastic in any and all respects - the food, the people, the party scene, the work opportunities.
  • I have a soft spot for Berlin, but for all of Germany really. Except, I have not visited Hamburg yet (I know, I know...). Soon.

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OK,
so it is possibly the city with the highest average salary in the world but isn't Zurich extremely boring?
Comparing to cities like Paris, London, Berlin, Amsterdam, Hamburg, Prague, Barcelona...?
Does anybody have an experience from living in one or more of those cities as well as from living in Zurich?
I haven't lived there, but I've visited those cities many times.

I find Zurich to be the single most boring city in Europe. Its so saturated with money that any hint of what gives a city character and soul is gone. When I have a friend visiting who wants to "see Zurich" before we head off to to where i live, I'm tempted to say "don't bother" but humor him/her by doing the standard walk down Bahnhofstrasse and back up through Niederdorf with its picturesque tourist shops and upscale boutiques and a couple of kebab places.

In Berlin, there are loads of artsy cool little coffee shops. In Zurich, there is Starbucks.

I guess Zurich is fine if you're a millionaire who wants a five star hotel and a five star restaurant but for the rest of us, yawn. Even the shopping sucks, either stuff nobody can afford or the usual Zara, H&M, etc.
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There is no artsy area, no "hippie" area, nothing.
Eh?

What about the Langstrasse area, about some of the places near Hardbrücke or the Letten?

Saying Zürich has none of this if all you do is walk down Bahnhofstrasse is like saying London is boring if all you look at is Regent Street.
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I haven't lived there, but I've visited those cities many times.

I find Zurich to be the single most boring city in Europe. Its so saturated with money that any hint of what gives a city character and soul is gone. When I have a friend visiting who wants to "see Zurich" before we head off to to where i live, I'm tempted to say "don't bother" but humor him/her by doing the standard walk down Bahnhofstrasse and back up through Niederdorf with its picturesque tourist shops and upscale boutiques and a couple of kebab places.

In Berlin, there are loads of artsy cool little coffee shops. In Zurich, there is Starbucks.

I guess Zurich is fine if you're a millionaire who wants a five star hotel and a five star restaurant but for the rest of us, yawn. Even the shopping sucks, either stuff nobody can afford or the usual Zara, H&M, etc.
There are some pretty cool places in Zürich with a lot of interesting sub culture going on. You just have to get out of the tourist trap areas - which would be true for any city really.
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It is somewhat...soul-less. It's over organized. Neat. Like a neat little sterile parking lot. It's not vibrant and organic, inspirational and zesty. Which is normally why people like cities and tolerate the dirt. I am not putting it in down, because it functions just like the way people need. Just that how people practically organize it to have it clean and functioning is different from what big cities elsewhere with the lack of logic and bounty of spirit and personality, humor, spontaneity have. It's small, organized, clean, dosed correctly, measured and safe. People have to love it for that or get better info on what is happening and where. Inspiration is found elsewhere, in CH I find mine out of cities.
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It is somewhat...soul-less. It's over organized. Neat. Like a neat little sterile parking lot. It's not vibrant and organic, inspirational and zesty. Which is normally why people like cities and tolerate the dirt. I am not putting it in down, because it functions just like the way people need. Just that how people practically organize it to have it clean and functioning is different from what big cities elsewhere with the lack of logic and bounty of spirit and personality, humor, spontaneity have. It's small, organized, clean, dosed correctly, measured and safe. People have to love it for that or get better info on what is happening and where. Inspiration is found elsewhere, in CH I find mine out of cities.
Countryside is very neat as well. I think the Swiss would have panick attacks if the grass doesn't get cut as soon as it grows 2,5 cm.
I like somehow wilder nature, and Switzerland lost all of it. Very pretty though. (like in children books' illustrations)
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I still love the nature, though, and understand how attached people are here to it. Growing up in a little cubicle, I love the fields and farms, direct and funny, warm hearted folks, the mountain peaks, mushroom picking, the fact my kid actually knows the animals we eat and do not imagine just salami, sausage, hotdog and steak when she hears the words cow, pig, chicken, etc...We know our farmers who make our milk, hike with students, ski, picnick on the beach and bring different stuff to eat for others to try, the opportunities are invaluable.

I do not want to sound unfair to ZH dwellers, I actually really like it..All cities in CH, Luzern and Lugano probably most because they have this home charm and immediately breathe to me, like home. But if somebody asks me for my private opinion, I am direct just for the sake of the exchange, not to offend anyone. I like cities here for something else than I love NYC, Vancouver or Prague..There is a peculiar adaptation of what city is in local small country perception. It is an organized, functioning structure. It's an interpretation. Some of the architecture is functioning and such an eyesore. Which is a gripe I have with art, too, it is a mindset. If you have a system pushing all pegs to standardized hole, you will end up with very little authenticity where it is overcontrolled. Chinese food ? An interpretation of what they think Chinese food is. Even Italian is more often not authentic, it is toned down interpretation of they think people should consider Italian. Mom and Pops places do not do their own, authentic stuff, bakeries in little shops, but it is always your ol croissant, pain au choc, Schneck, Pretzel. Prune tart. Art? What they think art should be according to some instruction, not an actual confident, authentic and spontaneous stuff..I talked to a foreign heavy metal journalist the other day, when I asked him how he liked the fest in Sion, he said the food was very high quality .. The local stuff was muzzak. You see, it is just different. I personally do not think it is worse, but I think it can be better if people let go of this idea system is pushing them to apply every where it is not needed, to be disciplined to follow guidelines.

We have a mobile resto that showed up last year. It is incredible, and picked up unbelievably. It is not the two hot French women running it, it is the incredibly original home made salads they artistically pile up on plates for people. It is cheap. And very different than your usual Migros bufet stuff you get every single bakery here on every corner. They brew their own ice teas, make their own cakes, it is all original. They have an edge and ideas and courage to pull them off. They keep their own standards, higher than everyone else, food is tasty, healthy and looks good. Their cleintelle is mixed local and foreign. I am tired of the overpriced Coop frozen chicken nuggets you get here even in non Coop restaurants with some greens and Aromat dressing, one of the 7 things on the menu. It would be even cheaper and more interesting to come up with something new. It does not really happen in a traditionalist climate.

Art is the same shtick, stuff I ventured out to see in LS and GE...was uneventful. Kitch. Decorative stuff. Thoughtless but well executed, expensive paints, good canvas. I love local old masters, when they struggled to follow their calling. New things, it is hit and miss, I know again a matter of taste, but when we are at the sharing - mostly miss. A high school project elsewhere would come up with more original and authentic ideas than some of the contrived things. How come people who live in ugly cubicles in other, poor countries, have imagination, creativity, and worlds of interesting ideas? Does comfort kill it, or what does? I push kids to open up, write, paint, create..I have to at first feed their confidence, so they want to actually dare to produce something on their own, confidently, creatively. Authenticity is not prioritized, there is this urge to blend in, it is applauded. Because people do not know how to react to something that is different, system does not like surprises. While kids I worked with elsewhere would pick up immediately, and it makes them happy. They are not asked to copy. They are asked to create, and you do not even have to ask them. Perfectionism, control and self criticism is not always originality inducive. One can have both, though, functionality and a unique idea. So what it is not popular, manicured, uneven and sticks out.

It's just my musing..again, private. I think authenticity, originality and creativity makes people happy. There are so many things I really value here, appreciate. Much more than not, even this art gripe is just a minor thing, I get my fix no matter what, just with more effort. I think all the resources are here, nobody has to really grow up in a mind controlling regime and thought policed, so it is probably a matter of time. The first thing I do when abroad - well before swimming, that I do everywhere, are art museums, gigs, galeries, book shops, public readings, festivals, local creativity.
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