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Art is the same shtick, stuff I ventured out to see in LS and GE...was uneventful. Kitch. Decorative stuff. Thoughtless but well executed, expensive paints, good canvas. I love local old masters, when they struggled to follow their calling. New things, it is hit and miss, I know again a matter of taste, but when we are at the sharing - mostly miss. A high school project elsewhere would come up with more original and authentic ideas than some of the contrived things. How come people who live in ugly cubicles in other, poor countries, have imagination, creativity, and worlds of interesting ideas? Does comfort kill it, or what does? I push kids to open up, write, paint, create..I have to at first feed their confidence, so they want to actually dare to produce something on their own, confidently, creatively. Authenticity is not prioritized, there is this urge to blend in, it is applauded. Because people do not know how to react to something that is different, system does not like surprises. While kids I worked with elsewhere would pick up immediately, and it makes them happy. They are not asked to copy. They are asked to create, and you do not even have to ask them. Perfectionism, control and self criticism is not always originality inducive. One can have both, though, functionality and a unique idea. So what it is not popular, manicured, uneven and sticks out.

It's just my musing..again, private. I think authenticity, originality and creativity makes people happy. There are so many things I really value here, appreciate. Much more than not, even this art gripe is just a minor thing, I get my fix no matter what, just with more effort. I think all the resources are here, nobody has to really grow up in a mind controlling regime and thought policed, so it is probably a matter of time. The first thing I do when abroad - well before swimming, that I do everywhere, are art museums, gigs, galeries, book shops, public readings, festivals, local creativity.
I like your musings, MC. Re. your question about too much comfort: a sculptor from back home was saying once that he, as an artist, has to work, work, search for new and perfect forms, in order to deserve his piece of bread, and it's better when that piece of bread is black and old...I now understand so well what he meant. I never took your musings as offending, no way. Hope nobody does.
I grew up in a cubicle but went to countryside for most of my school holidays. With those pressures from the system you were talking about and almost total freedom that only the most loving and understanding grandparents could have given to you. I can look at things from different points of view, and I feel sorry for people who'd never try to understand anything else besides their "cubicle".
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I like your musings, MC. Re. your question about too much comfort: a sculptor from back home was saying once that he, as an artist, has to work, work, search for new and perfect forms, in order to deserve his piece of bread, and it's better when that piece of bread is black and old...I now understand so well what he meant. I never took your musings as offending, no way. Hope nobody does.
I grew up in a cubicle but went to countryside for most of my school holidays. With those pressures from the system you were talking about and almost total freedom that only the most loving and understanding grandparents could have given to you. I can look at things from different points of view, and I feel sorry for people who'd never try to understand anything else besides their "cubicle".
The practically uniform and creativity-void mental cubicle that we choose to impose on ourselves like drones is worse than what any regime could have pushed. It's subtle and tastes good, comes with cash and security. It is luring us to settle for little.

I talked to an older French doctor the other day, who couldn't type properly and embarrassed nagged about his latest technology. He told me a story of his thesis writing he did by hand, I exchanged it for some stats on how the comfort of tasks done for us by advanced technology makes our brains function less. It made him happy, we laughed.. Certain resistance to modern life and comfort is good for us. It can feed authenticity.

Talking of black and hard bread, I just ate a moldy cookie accidentaly, it does not seem to inspire me creatively, yuck

You talked about your grandaparents, made me think of Romanian Czechs who are coming back home after decades and generations of their Romanian domicile, they were given their CZ papers back. I know about them since they kept a certain type of language that is conserved from way back. So nice.

Anyways, back to ZH and tips on excitement...
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The practically uniform and creativity-void mental cubicle that we choose to impose on ourselves like drones is worse than what any regime could have pushed. It's subtle and tastes good, comes with cash and security. It is luring us to settle for little.

I talked to an older French doctor the other day, who couldn't type properly and embarrassed nagged about his latest technology. He told me a story of his thesis writing he did by hand, I exchanged it for some stats on how the comfort of tasks done for us by advanced technology makes our brains function less. It made him happy, we laughed.. Certain resistance to modern life and comfort is good for us. It can feed authenticity.

Talking of black and hard bread, I just ate a moldy cookie accidentaly, it does not seem to inspire me creatively, yuck

You talked about your grandaparents, made me think of Romanian Czechs who are coming back home after decades and generations of their Romanian domicile, they were given their CZ papers back. I know about them since they kept a certain type of language that is conserved from way back. So nice.

Anyways, back to ZH and tips on excitement...
Nice! Did you talk about them?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechs_in_Romania
Would be interesting to see their villages. I would also love to see some places in Moravian Wallachia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravian_Wallachia That's what I absolutely love about Eastern Europe. The amalgam of nationalities, ethnicities. What a treasure, we should value it more.
But back to Zürich.
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Re: Isn't Zurich extremely boring?

Zurich is a boring city
Shops close early and there is no nightlife during the week
People of Zurich are introverted and not so open.
People don’t smile. Many of Zurichs people are arrogant and stuck up
Its a quiet place if you like quiet and boring its your place
No Place is perfect ....
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Old 02.09.2021, 23:51
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Zurich is a boring city
Shops close early and there is no nightlife during the week
People of Zurich are introverted and not so open.
People don’t smile. Many of Zurichs people are arrogant and stuck up
Its a quiet place if you like quiet and boring its your place
No Place is perfect ....
Far better than anywhere in the US.

NYC in particular is a craphole.

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OK,
so it is possibly the city with the highest average salary in the world but isn't Zurich extremely boring?
Comparing to cities like Paris, London, Berlin, Amsterdam, Hamburg, Prague, Barcelona...?
Does anybody have an experience from living in one or more of those cities as well as from living in Zurich?
Its totally boring. The most boring city in Europe.

Unless you're into hookers, there is absolutely nothing to do there.
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Old 03.09.2021, 01:01
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People don’t smile. Many of Zurichs people are arrogant and stuck up
It's not Zurich people, Swiss people are arrogant and stuck up.
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Re: Isn't Zurich extremely boring?

ZH is extremely boring. The real action and fun is in basel and bern and baden.

Fribourg rocks as well...
I guess it's just a rumour how ZH is the city where all the action happens..
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Zurich is a boring city
Shops close early and there is no nightlife during the week
People of Zurich are introverted and not so open.
People don’t smile. Many of Zurichs people are arrogant and stuck up
Its a quiet place if you like quiet and boring its your place
No Place is perfect ....
Yup, Zurich is boring - has however the ranking of being one of the safest and happiest places in the world. How did we let you in from Corona and flood torn NY?
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Re: Isn't Zurich extremely boring?

If the shops is an important feature of a place it’s a sad motive. I’ve lived in plenty of places, you make your own lifestyle, climb a mountain or jump in a lake.
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If you find Zurich extremely boring why not move to Kabul instead?
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Lets all be boring together.

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Re: Isn't Zurich extremely boring?

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If you think Zurich is boring, I suggest you first visit other Cities in Switzerland.

I do not think there is a comparison with German Cities for example, or the ones you mentioned.

But hey, for the Locals it really works, so I guess its a matter of Taste.
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Far better than anywhere in the US.

NYC in particular is a craphole.

Tom
Better food though in NY.

I still thinks it's amusing that people consider Zürich a city. Nice enough town but I wouldn't want to live there.
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If you think Zurich is boring, I suggest you first visit other Cities in Switzerland.

I do not think there is a comparison with German Cities for example, or the ones you mentioned.

But hey, for the Locals it really works, so I guess its a matter of Taste.
Munich is much better than Zurich tho
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If you find Zurich extremely boring why not move to Kabul instead?
The statement was not about where to move but whether a particular city is boring. These are two completely orthogonal things.
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Munich is much better than Zurich tho
Also Düsseldorf and Koln.

If you compare some German Cities to Swiss, the first ones are much more alive, Kids playing outside until late, Restaurants and Bars are opened late also during the Week and there is a nice Food Scene.
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Re: Isn't Zurich extremely boring?

Zurich is not boring. Especially floating on the river. I hope it will be added to the Wedn event
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The statement was not about where to move but whether a particular city is boring. These are two completely orthogonal things.
Thanks to you, I’ve started to consider your favourite clever word “orthogonal” as equivalent to a mind-numbing, extremely tedious expression of opinion quite a few people could have done without….but do carry on – boring the pants off those with a slightly oblique POV
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