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Do we need to bring both the passport and the residence card when we go to Rhein?

My husband and my son are Canadian citizens. I hold a passport from Taiwan. We have a B permit since my husband works in Basel.

When we walk or take a bus to the Rhine Center (Germany) for shopping, should we bring both the passport and the residence card? (Or just the residence card is ok?)
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Re: Do we need to bring both the passport and the residence card when we go to Rhein?

Whenever we have gone from Zurich to Konstanz we have generally only carried our residence permits (we travel via train). Am not sure if it is essential to carry the passport. Even at the tax refund window they only asked for our permits.
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Re: Do we need to bring both the passport and the residence card when we go to Rhein?

Legally, yes, you must.

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My husband and my son are Canadian citizens. I hold a passport from Taiwan. We have a B permit since my husband works in Basel.

When we walk or take a bus to the Rhine Center (Germany) for shopping, should we bring both the passport and the residence card? (Or just the residence card is ok?)
Two points, really. First, as both DE and CH are Schengen signatories, you technically don't need either document to cross the border, but just some acceptable form of ID.

But more importantly, as a non-Swiss who's resident here you should carry both passport and Auslanderausweiss at all times anyway. So ironically you'll be fine going into Germany but will be in trouble for not carrying them when you come back. Sure, they'll let you back in with just the one, but they may give you a telling off, or worse if they're having a bad day.

So simple answer, take both. And remember that this should be the norm eve if you're not crossing a border.
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Re: Do we need to bring both the passport and the residence card when we go to Rhein?

In European Union (Germany, Portugal) you must carry a legal document.
I doubt that Swiss residence permit is a legal document in EU.
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Re: Do we need to bring both the passport and the residence card when we go to Rhein?

You'll need the resident's card if you want to reclaim any VAT.

You'll save a lot of hassle if you carry your passport in case you're stopped, on either side, of the border (and, believe me, if you're a multi-ethnic family, it's far more likely)
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Whenever we have gone from Zurich to Konstanz we have generally only carried our residence permits (we travel via train). Am not sure if it is essential to carry the passport. Even at the tax refund window they only asked for our permits.
They sometimes ask for both documents as far as I could see: passports and residence permits. And, it is essential to carry a passport (or national identity card if you're coming from an E.U. member state) when you travel to another country. What a general confusion this Schengen thing created.
Bottom line: carry your passport, it won't hurt.

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Re: Do we need to bring both the passport and the residence card when we go to Rhein?

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But more importantly, as a non-Swiss who's resident here you should carry both passport and Auslanderausweiss at all times anyway.
Seriously? What if my handbag get knicked. I thought it was one or t'other, not both
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While you are traveling in Switzerland, you are subject to its laws and you should make yourself familiar with these. In Switzerland you are obliged to provide your personal details and it is customary to carry an I.D. and/or a passport. Should the police stop you, and you are without an I.D., you may be asked to go to the police station for questioning. This is at the discretion of the individual police officer. Anyone who is involved in a police check has the right to know the name of the officer and to see their badge.

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In European Union (Germany, Portugal) you must carry a legal document.
I doubt that Swiss residence permit is a legal document in EU.
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Hint: carry =/= posses.
Link you may need: http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/au...195010004.html
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Re: Do we need to bring both the passport and the residence card when we go to Rhein?

For non-EU citizens, I would recommend travelling over borders with both the passport and permit. Just to be sure...!
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Re: Do we need to bring both the passport and the residence card when we go to Rhein?

I had always carried both at all times, by looking at my passport you can see it too (wrinkled and bent).
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Re: Do we need to bring both the passport and the residence card when we go to Rhein?

Technically, you shouldnt need to as they are both in the Schengen area, so you have already entered the 'border' by living in Switzerland!
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Re: Do we need to bring both the passport and the residence card when we go to Rhein?

So here are the rules as I understand them:

This is the document that sets out the procedures to be followed by authorities (don't be fooled by the name, it applies any time you are checked). If you take the time to dig through it and the other referenced material you will find that there are two things you must be able to demonstrate:
- Your identity
- That you have a legal right to be here
You will also not that it up to you to prove this and that unless shown evidence to the contrary the authorities are entitled to assume that you are illegal and treat you accordingly.

And this document summaries the documents that are acceptable in proving your identity in each country.

So I guess as long as you can meeting the requirements above using whatever documents are acceptable in the second list you should be OK, no matter who checks you.

One observation I did make is that all the driving licences shown, include the person date and place of birth, if yours does not, it might be an issue.
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Re: Do we need to bring both the passport and the residence card when we go to Rhein?

People from modern European countries who have IDENTITY CARDS for travelling in the Schengen-Zone only need the ID
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