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Re: Are the Swiss really like this?

When we signed our house contract, it was saying that those moving in the area have to be tolerant to kids noise.
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Old 18.09.2014, 21:51
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Re: Are the Swiss really like this?

It is all a question of luck. In 20 years I never had a problem with neighbours even though my wife is known to play her saxophone on our balcony in the early hours of the morning after a few bevvies.

Contrariwise the guy who took over my last apartment has endless problems with another new neighbour who is always complaining about noise even only after 8 pm!
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We don't mow our lawns on Sunday, but revving motorcycles is completely acceptable.
Umm, I had a neighbor complain about me letting one idle to warm up.

Next time, I'll remove the DB-killers from the 999R and let her rip!

(while in my garage, of course, but with the door open, no need to be street legal in the garage! )

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Old 18.09.2014, 22:17
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I just moved to this country one week ago, but all ready we had "discussions" with Swiss neighbors about our behaviour, i.e. since we have a small child.

Do they really go out of their way to tell people what to do?

First instance I was in the apt complex playground around 7/7.30pm. My child was on top of the slide and we were not causing any ruckus just having fun. Then a woman on the 1st floor kept coming onto her terrace and finally asked us to go inside, so she could get some "peace." So, I shot her a peace sign and walked in, to do the right thing as a newcomer. Believe me, I felt like telling her off.

The second instance was when a neighbor found my wife outside and complained to her of hearing noise early on the past Sunday morning. Yet he told us Wednesday, which seemed strange to take so long. Plus, couldn't he just deal with whatever noise may have happened since it was only temporary? He knows there is a child.

I mean, can't one pick their battles a little more carefully? It seems that they are so sensitive and try to have a bubble around a "perfect" existence.

We heard other similar, even more ridiculous, stories from other expats. We're thinking to move just across the border to France or Germany so we live in a more open environment, esp for our kids.

Sorry if I have a mistaken impression, but I'm interested what others have to say about this topic. Or if you want to share your stories, it would also be informative.
Sorry I was not impressed with your peace sign, as could have been mistaken for something else, like F..K O.f

2) neighbour complained on Wednesday about noise on Sunday, at least they did not come to you on Sunday. I presume language mis understanding. A polite message. In London once had visitors with children and neighbours below immediately knocked on our door to complain.

Switzerland IMO is the most wonderful place for children. Where else in Europe can children take themselves back and forth to school with confidence.

No idea about your part of Switzerland, Basel.

Around here, children start in the Gym at 7.30am.

Oddly had thought if ever we put our apartment for rent, a comment would be, if people did not like the sounds of children in the street outside, then not for them during school times. We love it, but do appreciate there are some people who dislike!

There is no introduction thread for you. Did your company give you familiarity stuff on Switzerland?

One thing to do is a note to local neighbours to say who you are, perhaps invite them for tea/coffee cakes at set date & times. The invite not perhap necessary if inconvenient. However have been advised by neighbour in our ignorance, almost an insult to the neighbours no note. So note could have included a small chocolate or the like if not convenient to invite to your home.

7/7.30 pm does seem strange to complain, but who knows her reason to complain, is there a notice somewhere (you have no idea what else she is going through, loss of family etc). She might have been someone to instigate the swing in the first place, but at set times.

You have only been here a week you say, so take your time before thinking of moving and best try to get on with neighbours, they could be a godsend one day.

Have you also looked into your Visa and tax implications if you move to another country to live.

Might be you are totally in a neighbourhood totally hate children! If so maybe ask where is excellent neighbourhood to move.

Something else we had big shits with immediate neighbour under my OH, turned out, our kitchen is situated over her bedroom. As we are late people. have used the 10pm rule, no noise there after 9 or 10pm. Any reason to go to there after that time is on tippie toe.

Our neighbour now thinks the the world of us as we are good neighbour.
Last Xmas had the most amazing Large Roses from them that lasted long time.

It can take time to get on with neighbours, but IMO it is worth it, particularly you with Children, as I said before Switzerland is the most amazing place for Children, particularly in the summer.
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Re: Are the Swiss really like this?

So as good Dutchies, we were riding our bike, minding our own business neatly on the bicycle path.

When suddenly, there was a police car a bit further back who turned on his sirenes and made all cars move away so he could pass to quickly go to the crime scene!

Which turned out to be us on the bike.. It is a good custom in the Netherlands to have your girlfriend sitting on the back of the bike like a passenger. But this was apparently so illegal that the police believed this to be a good trade-off for racing between cars accross red lights to tell us.
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Re: Are the Swiss really like this?

Think carefully before moving to France or Germany: life can be difficult there as well!

Maybe you need to quieten down a bit?

All day Sunday must be quiet, except for the church bells and the shooting competitions!

From 7 am to 8 pm you can be reasonably noisy, but sometimes there is a quiet lunch break from 12 to 1:30

After 8 pm you should not be making much noise, it is OK to have the TV or music on, but you should be able to have a normal conversation in the room. No noise outside either.

After 10 pm, be very quiet. No taking showers or walking with shoes on, unless it's an emergency.
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Re: Are the Swiss really like this?

7pm is most definitely not quiet period - you could have told the 1st floor woman to disappear up her own jacksie.

Your child was playing in a play area. Children have a right to play - Swiss law dictates this.

We lived in an apartment in Claraplatz in Basel for nearly 10 years - for the last three years of those with our son. Our neighbours never once complained about crying etc. And as an active member of a Basel Fasnacht clique I would play piccolo quite regularly. I did ask our neighbours several times to let me know if the piccolo is disturbing them. The attitude was, "we wouldn't live in this part of Basel if we hated Fasnacht".

The bottom line: your neighbours are in the wrong. Don't let them bully you.

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I just moved to this country one week ago, but all ready we had "discussions" with Swiss neighbors about our behaviour, i.e. since we have a small child.

Do they really go out of their way to tell people what to do?

First instance I was in the apt complex playground around 7/7.30pm. My child was on top of the slide and we were not causing any ruckus just having fun. Then a woman on the 1st floor kept coming onto her terrace and finally asked us to go inside, so she could get some "peace." So, I shot her a peace sign and walked in, to do the right thing as a newcomer. Believe me, I felt like telling her off.

The second instance was when a neighbor found my wife outside and complained to her of hearing noise early on the past Sunday morning. Yet he told us Wednesday, which seemed strange to take so long. Plus, couldn't he just deal with whatever noise may have happened since it was only temporary? He knows there is a child.

I mean, can't one pick their battles a little more carefully? It seems that they are so sensitive and try to have a bubble around a "perfect" existence.

We heard other similar, even more ridiculous, stories from other expats. We're thinking to move just across the border to France or Germany so we live in a more open environment, esp for our kids.

Sorry if I have a mistaken impression, but I'm interested what others have to say about this topic. Or if you want to share your stories, it would also be informative.
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An example… I was doing my washing one day. I came down to find my washing out of the machine, with a note saying "please respect the washing timetable" and someone else's washing in the machine. I double checked, yes it's Thursday, I'm booked in to use it all afternoon. I took their washing out (when finished) and wrote on their note, "maybe you should respect the timetable, it's Thursday, not Friday"! Came back later to find their stuff gone… no apology
had a similar experience with a swiss person... she took out my unfinished laundry out of the machine because she was in "rush"! :S

in this case there was no timetable, it was working on first come first served basis, but found her behavior rather impolite
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I just moved to this country one week ago, but all ready we had "discussions" with Swiss neighbors about our behaviour, i.e. since we have a small child.

Do they really go out of their way to tell people what to do?

First instance I was in the apt complex playground around 7/7.30pm. My child was on top of the slide and we were not causing any ruckus just having fun. Then a woman on the 1st floor kept coming onto her terrace and finally asked us to go inside, so she could get some "peace." So, I shot her a peace sign and walked in, to do the right thing as a newcomer. Believe me, I felt like telling her off.

The second instance was when a neighbor found my wife outside and complained to her of hearing noise early on the past Sunday morning. Yet he told us Wednesday, which seemed strange to take so long. Plus, couldn't he just deal with whatever noise may have happened since it was only temporary? He knows there is a child.

I mean, can't one pick their battles a little more carefully? It seems that they are so sensitive and try to have a bubble around a "perfect" existence.

We heard other similar, even more ridiculous, stories from other expats. We're thinking to move just across the border to France or Germany so we live in a more open environment, esp for our kids.

Sorry if I have a mistaken impression, but I'm interested what others have to say about this topic. Or if you want to share your stories, it would also be informative.

The mentality of people in South Germany is practically the same as here or rather less open. You instead might simply move to another quarter
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Old 19.09.2014, 08:14
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7pm is most definitely not quiet period
No, but it is the start of the semi-quiet period, i.e. no more power tools, hammering, lawn mowing, etc.

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Where in basel are you?
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Re: Are the Swiss really like this?

When we moved into our house we put an invitation into every neighbor's mailbox inviting them for an apero to introduce ourselves.

Only one neighbor showed up. It was the first and last time we spoke to him beyond the obligatory "grueze" in the driveway.

Since then, the only contact we have had is when a neighbor complains about mowing the lawn at the wrong time, or demanding that we trim the hedge.

On the other hand, when I think of all the places I lived in the USA, it wasn't that different, except for some nosey irritating neighbors with whom we were better off not having any contact with at all.

So, maybe it's better this way.
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What a shame, OP. That does not bode well for years of happy, peaceful living where you are. Nobody likes to walk on eggshells all the time and if these people are so miserable as to fault you for playing in a playground with your child during "acceptable" hours - imagine what else they will find fault with.

There are so many wonderful, child friendly places around basel. The newish development we lived in there was a virtual haven for young families with kids.

Good luck with this. Perhaps if you stand your ground strongly now (when you are in the right, that is) they will back off. It would help to have an strong knowledge of your tenant and Gemeinde regulations and to throw these back at them when need be.
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I had to call them a few times. Once when OH was head butted when walking the dog and had his nose smashed by a drunk with a group of other drunken friends. Twice when we were burglared, once when the car windscreen was smashed on our drive by people coming out of the pub, and once when the very heavy antique lead pots and bay trees on either side of our front door where stolen when our daughters were on their own at home. And the worst, once when one of my foreign students was attacked by a drunken slapper in town, who smashed his head with one of her high heels- which needed lots of stiches. On all those occasions, I would have dreamed of staring and waving tablecloths ;
What???? Was this here or in the UK - sounds more like the UK to me.....I have seen nothing like this in Switzerland....
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Re: Are the Swiss really like this?

We have good neighbours. A mix, but mostly Swiss.

The people whom we bought the land from - farmers - have retired next to us and are diamond. You'd think "oh no SVP..." but no.

They are kind, tolerant of small loud children, by all accounts intolerant of the intolerant Swiss, and given, yes, given us about 5000k CHF worth of cobble stones gratis. One night Mr even came over to see if I would like to go with him to watch FCB play at home, as his usual mate had broken his hip so there was a ticket going free.
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... to do the right thing as a newcomer. ..
Unless the house / playground rules explicitly say otherwise, you did the wrong thing.

1) Your child has a right to play outside at 7:30pm. If your neighbour doesn't like the noise, that's her problem, not yours. A simple "It's 7:30pm" should suffice.

2) Complaint on Wednesday about Sunday noise should be handled along the lines of "Oh really? Can you tell me exactly when? Also, if it should happen again, I'd appreciate you telling me at the time, not waiting three days."

People here tend to be quite direct and sound like they're issuing orders, even when they're trying to help. That means you can get away with behaviour that at home would be considered rather rude.
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Maybe adopt the Swiss tradition of inviting your neighbours to Apero. Introduce yourself and your family and allay their fears. They may be more friendly having quaffed your wine/beer/coffee!
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Think carefully before moving to France or Germany: life can be difficult there as well!

Maybe you need to quieten down a bit?

All day Sunday must be quiet, except for the church bells and the shooting competitions!

From 7 am to 8 pm you can be reasonably noisy, but sometimes there is a quiet lunch break from 12 to 1:30

After 8 pm you should not be making much noise, it is OK to have the TV or music on, but you should be able to have a normal conversation in the room. No noise outside either.

After 10 pm, be very quiet. No taking showers or walking with shoes on, unless it's an emergency.
We live in France and sorry to say that it's true it can be slightly more difficult in case you have Swiss neighbours:-), 1 out of 3 in our village are Swiss and our experience has been that if someone is complaining about noise or trimming hedges, it's always them. It's sometimes hard for them to act like normal people again after 20 years of obsessively following stupid rules. Kids not being allowed to play outside on Sundays or after 7.30 pm? Get a life, please.
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