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Re: Are the Swiss really like this?

well my neighbour and her husband used to regularly have very loud verbal fights. So loud that I thought a murder is going to happen. And on a Sunday morning at 6am her child would start throwing wooden balls on the parkett. Naturally we ended up complaining and rightfully to . There are cases when one has to say something.Now they have moved to another apartment in the same block. And naturally they have exacktly the same problems with the neighbour there.


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I just moved to this country one week ago, but all ready we had "discussions" with Swiss neighbors about our behaviour, i.e. since we have a small child.

Do they really go out of their way to tell people what to do?

First instance I was in the apt complex playground around 7/7.30pm. My child was on top of the slide and we were not causing any ruckus just having fun. Then a woman on the 1st floor kept coming onto her terrace and finally asked us to go inside, so she could get some "peace." So, I shot her a peace sign and walked in, to do the right thing as a newcomer. Believe me, I felt like telling her off.

The second instance was when a neighbor found my wife outside and complained to her of hearing noise early on the past Sunday morning. Yet he told us Wednesday, which seemed strange to take so long. Plus, couldn't he just deal with whatever noise may have happened since it was only temporary? He knows there is a child.

I mean, can't one pick their battles a little more carefully? It seems that they are so sensitive and try to have a bubble around a "perfect" existence.

We heard other similar, even more ridiculous, stories from other expats. We're thinking to move just across the border to France or Germany so we live in a more open environment, esp for our kids.

Sorry if I have a mistaken impression, but I'm interested what others have to say about this topic. Or if you want to share your stories, it would also be informative.
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Old 20.10.2015, 16:50
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It does not say how you're a Canadian in a Canadian passport. There are travel documents for refugees waiting for permanent residency status(and others), but those are not passports.
Maybe not now but that doesn't mean it didn't at that time. Things were a lot different 50 or 60 years ago.
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Old 20.10.2015, 17:06
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It's always good to see openminded people.

(obviously you're not one of them)
Like the Swiss you mean?
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Old 20.10.2015, 18:16
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Maybe not now but that doesn't mean it didn't at that time. Things were a lot different 50 or 60 years ago.
This was 25 or so years ago, though the passport may have been older.

And, yes, I've seen it myself.

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Old 20.10.2015, 18:23
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What is wrong with the word Auslander?

It's simply the German word for foreigner, every language on the planet has such a word.

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I preferred going to the "Fremdenpolizei". At least I knew where I was at. Now it is the "Amt für Internationale Kundschaft" or so but it still costs as much to renew my visa. In the UK it used to be the "Aliens something or other"
I don`t mind being called an "Auslander". That is what I am as every one can tell as soon as I open me gob. (rolls tongue)
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Like the Swiss you mean?
Yes. Most of the ones I know/have met are.
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Old 20.10.2015, 19:28
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Yes, but I don't generally refer to my friends by their nationality back home. This is an unfortunate habit that is deemed normal in Europe. Talking to my husband about my friends back home, I had to really think hard to remember which of my friends were first-generation or naturalised as teenagers/adults. It was never relevant in my friendships with them.

Frankly, I'm much more interested in people's other traits unless we're talking about immigration or voting.
And yet, nationality always comes up one way or another.
Never met anyone who wasnt interested at least a tiny little bit about your whereabouts or origins. I think it is normal.
Btw, never been to Canada but in the States they were asking, just out of curiosity and then the invariable "oh, my grand-grand-parents emigrated from there" or "my wife s parents are coming from there"...sometimes were happy to let me know their ancestors come from a neighbouring country etc. Cute.

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Old 20.10.2015, 19:55
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Yes. Most of the ones I know/have met are.
Same with the ones I know too.

Not so much with the ones on here though.
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People that use the terms "Auslander" and "Secondo" tend to be uneducated fools it's best not to speak with.

I was at a wedding recently, and the woman next to me turned and told me to go back to where i came from because my German was not fluent enough for her taste... My husband and I decided to ignore her and make-out at the table.
"People that use the terms "Auslander" and "Secondo" tend to be uneducated fools "
I don^t agree. Secondos are second generation immigrants, mostly born and bred in Switzerland. That is how they describe themselves. Take Sibel Arslan for example. Whatever she may be she isn`t an "uneducated fool". She arrived in Basel aged eleven and is now Nationalrätin. Check out Second@s Plus if you want to find out more
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"People that use the terms "Auslander" and "Secondo" tend to be uneducated fools "
I don^t agree. Secondos are second generation immigrants, mostly born and bred in Switzerland. That is how they describe themselves. Take Sibel Arslan for example. Whatever she may be she isn`t an "uneducated fool". She arrived in Basel aged eleven and is now Nationalrätin. Check out Second@s Plus if you want to find out more
You misunderstand. The need to differentiate people born here as been of a second-generation and coming up with a word is what I have a problem with. If someone is born here, is raised here, in what world are they not Swiss? Just the world in which it matters to trace your lineage by 20 generations to determine whether you're really white or not.

When people ask where I'm from, they often expect me to justify my skin tone to the n-th degree. I'm sorry, I can't do that because I just don't know, nor do I care.
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[QUOTE=crazykittylady;2470261]You misunderstand. The need to differentiate people born here as been of a second-generation and coming up with a word is what I have a problem with. If someone is born here, is raised here, in what world are they not Swiss? Just the world in which it matters to trace your lineage by 20 generations to determine whether you're really white or not.

When people ask where I'm from, they often expect me to justify my skin tone to the n-th degree. I'm sorry, I can't do that because I just don't know, nor do I care.[/QUOTE

"You misunderstand."

I understood "uneducated fools" . That is what you wrote.
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People from Kanton Zurich are very open, but as you go far from it like S.Gallen, Schwyz..Swiss people there are very closeminded and they dont like Auslanders. Especialy i know for Schwyz, i heard a lot of storiys from there.
I've always felt very welcome in SZ!?
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People from Kanton Zurich are very open, but as you go far from it like S.Gallen, Schwyz..Swiss people there are very closeminded and they dont like Auslanders. Especialy i know for Schwyz, i heard a lot of storiys from there.
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I've always felt very welcome in SZ!?
My guess is you live in AusserSchwyz(anywhere in sight of Zürisee) rather than InnerSchwyz(anywhere you can see Grosser & Kleiner Mythen). Lucky you. Racism and prejudice is unfortunately alive and well in the Inner Schwyz. If your not related to at least half of your neighbours then you don't belong.
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My guess is you live in AusserSchwyz(anywhere in sight of Zürisee) rather than InnerSchwyz(anywhere you can see Grosser & Kleiner Mythen). Lucky you. Racism and prejudice is unfortunately alive and well in the Inner Schwyz. If your not related to at least half of your neighbours then you don't belong.
This is not particular to some areas of Switzerland - it's the same in the more remote areas of the U.K.

My sister once got a job in North Wales. The locals used to speak English in the village shop but switch to Welsh and ignore her when she came in. It took about a year before anyone would even talk to her.

And I won't even being to mention Norfolk...
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My guess is you live in AusserSchwyz(anywhere in sight of Zürisee) rather than InnerSchwyz(anywhere you can see Grosser & Kleiner Mythen). Lucky you. Racism and prejudice is unfortunately alive and well in the Inner Schwyz. If your not related to at least half of your neighbours then you don't belong.
Oh, it's a Ausserschwyz thing too.

In defense of my neighbors, Schwyzer intolerance is very much an equal opportunity thing.

It's not just Auslanders who merit the adjective blöde. That also applies to fellow Eidgenoss whose great great many times great grandfathers made the mistake of not being born in this valley. Especially those pesky Zürchers.

(Have you noticed that our Schwyzer streets have been dug up, blocked off, detoured around for ages yet nothing seems to get done? That's not just construction season, that's part of the plan to barricade the holy land against the Zürcher Steuerflüchtlinge barbarian onslaught. )
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Re: Are the Swiss really like this?

An Uuuslandschwiizerii who lived amongst us in Belgium was heard quite often to say :

Switzerland has 7 million inhabitants and 6.5 million Polizisten!

Her words, not mind, please do not shoot the messenger
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My guess is you live in AusserSchwyz(anywhere in sight of Zürisee) rather than InnerSchwyz(anywhere you can see Grosser & Kleiner Mythen). Lucky you. Racism and prejudice is unfortunately alive and well in the Inner Schwyz. If your not related to at least half of your neighbours then you don't belong.
I`ve never read this expression "AusserSchwyz "before. Did you make it up yourself? What about the bit of Switzerland without a view of the Zürichsee or the Mythen (Klein or Gross)? Have you got a name for that as well? Racial prejudice isn`t restricted to the Zentralschweiz. Check out some of the threads on the "english forum" for a good dose.
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Re: Are the Swiss really like this?

I once got a note on my car because my tires TOUCHED yellow parking stripe.
Other than that though..no, we were are happy we made the decision to move where we did. We have a row house, our neighbors are mixed, but mostly Swiss. I know we are the loudest for sure, but no one has ever complained and they are very helpful.

Once they get to know you, it will be fine. Be sure to go and introduce yourself and let them know ..you come in peace LOL
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I`ve never read this expression "AusserSchwyz "before. Did you make it up yourself? What about the bit of Switzerland without a view of the Zürichsee or the Mythen (Klein or Gross)? Have you got a name for that as well? Racial prejudice isn`t restricted to the Zentralschweiz. Check out some of the threads on the "english forum" for a good dose.
Ausserschwyz is the standard description for the Höfe and March areas, that is, those around the Zürichsee.

Ausserschwyz is sometimes thought of as a Zürich suburb. But not by those who live there.



Schwyz can generally be divided (geographically as well as in terms of attitudes and experiences, not to mention tax rates) into Ausserschwyz, Einsiedeln, and Innerschwyz. Although Einsiedelers may think of themselves as Innerschwyzers - but Einsiedeln ain't the Muotathal.
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