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True or joke? [Swiss Constitution]

Attached is my Monday humour. It is a copy of the Swiss constitution as agreed in 1998. Now the question is, is this lived by the Swiss? Or is it completely and utterly ignored

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Is this bit true (my italics) ?? Amazing if it is.

"Art. 25 [/B][/SIZE][/FONT]Protection against expulsion, extradition, and removal by force
1 Swiss citizens may not be expelled from the country; they may be extradited to a foreign authority only with their consent."

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Attached is my Monday humour. It is a copy of the Swiss constitution as agreed in 1998. Now the question is, is this lived by the Swiss? Or is it completely and utterly ignored

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Re: Is this true or just a joke?!

time to get that passport and a criminal record then
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Attached is my Monday humour. It is a copy of the Swiss constitution as agreed in 1998. Now the question is, is this lived by the Swiss? Or is it completely and utterly ignored

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At 64 pages it's quite a long document. Did you have any particular passages in mind?

How about the opening line:
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In the name of God Almighty!
I always find that line a bit odd, especially as the first line in the constitution of a supposedly secular country.

Or was it this:

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We, the Swiss People and Cantons,
whereas, we are mindful of our responsibility towards creation;
resolve to renew our alliance to strengthen liberty and democracy, independence and
peace in solidarity and openness towards the world;
are determined to live our diversity in unity respecting one another;
Perhaps you had a chuckle when you got to diversity - but it is important to note that they aren't talking about diversity in an international sense - this applies to diversity only among themselves.

Anyway, I got as far as page 2, so if you've anything to share, please tell us where it is...
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Old 06.11.2006, 16:45
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Re: Is this true or just a joke?!

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Is this bit true (my italics) ?? Amazing if it is.

"Art. 25 [/b][/size][/font]Protection against expulsion, extradition, and removal by force
1 Swiss citizens may not be expelled from the country; they may be extradited to a foreign authority only with their consent."

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Why would that be so amazing? Many countries have the same policy. I doubt very much whether there are many countries which engage in forced removal - extra-legal procedures such as extended holidays in Guantanamo excluded
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At 64 pages it's quite a long document. Did you have any particular passages in mind?

How about the opening line:

I always find that line a bit odd, especially as the first line in the constitution of a supposedly secular country.

Or was it this:



Perhaps you had a chuckle when you got to diversity - but it is important to note that they aren't talking about diversity in an international sense - this applies to diversity only among themselves.

Anyway, I got as far as page 2, so if you've anything to share, please tell us where it is...
I just find it to be so funny in many places. Such as equality um... Religious freedom as long as you don't disturb us that is, that border to border lorries over the alps ***must*** go by rail - but SBB aren't so keen and so on and so on...
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time to get that passport and a criminal record then
Would you really like to stuck in any one country without pssibility of leaving it?
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Re: Is this true or just a joke?!

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How about the opening line:
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In the name of God Almighty!
isn't that the same as saying FFS?
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Re: True or joke? [Swiss Constitution]

This one appeals to me:

Art. 92
Postal and Telecommunication Services
1 Postal and telecommunication services are a federal matter.
2 The Confederation shall ensure sufficient and reasonable basic postal and telecommunication
services in all regions. The rates shall be fixed according to uniform
principles.


I think it's referring to the rates of post, not telecoms . Also I would like to know what the "uniform" principles are. More stripes = more money?

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Re: True or joke? [Swiss Constitution]

.. and this one:

Art. 131
Special Consumption Taxes*
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The Confederation may levy special consumption taxes on the following:
a. tobacco and tobacco products;
b. distilled spirits;
c. beer;
d. automobiles and their components;
e. crude, oil, other mineral fuels, natural gas, and products obtained through refining them, and on motor fuels.


Does anyone know of a motor fuel that is not derived thorugh refinement of mineral fuels? Perhaps alcohol, but that's taxed seomwhere else.

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Re: True or joke? [Swiss Constitution]

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.. and this one:

Art. 131
Special Consumption Taxes*
1
The Confederation may levy special consumption taxes on the following:
a. tobacco and tobacco products;
b. distilled spirits;
c. beer;
d. automobiles and their components;
e. crude, oil, other mineral fuels, natural gas, and products obtained through refining them, and on motor fuels.


Does anyone know of a motor fuel that is not derived thorugh refinement of mineral fuels? Perhaps alcohol, but that's taxed seomwhere else.

Sorry I was delayed in answering your posts because I couldn't find my magnifying glass...

Biodiesel in its pure form isn't made from mineral forms. My brother is into it in a big way, runs his 4WD on it without modification - it's basically vegetable oil he has a whole forum on it at www.biofuelsforum.com. Sorry a bit off-topic just wanted to point out that this clause means that the Swiss are leaving the door open to tax non-mineral fuels as well.
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Re: Is this true or just a joke?!

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Why would that be so amazing? Many countries have the same policy. I doubt very much whether there are many countries which engage in forced removal - extra-legal procedures such as extended holidays in Guantanamo excluded
Didn't the UK just extradite a couple of the guys tied up in the Enron affair to the US? I'm pretty sure that they didn't give their consent.
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Didn't the UK just extradite a couple of the guys tied up in the Enron affair to the US? I'm pretty sure that they didn't give their consent.
Were they British? In any case the relationship between the UK and US is a cosy one anyway (see comments in previous post regarding holidays in Cuba)
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Were they British? In any case the relationship between the UK and US is a cosy one anyway (see comments in previous post regarding holidays in Cuba)
Yeah, all three were British. But you're right, I'm only surprised that they weren't bundled off to the airport and drugged before turning up in New York for a surprise arrest.
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Re: Is this true or just a joke?!

the British dullards, sorry, government, signed a lovely unilateral agreement in 2003 allowing this to happen without "proof"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natwest_three
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_Act_2003
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prima_facie

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Re: True or joke? [Swiss Constitution]

But don't the British government have some provision about not handing people over to countries that engage in torture? Anyway, we disgress...

One other thing struck me in the constitution (apart from the provisions about racial discrimination and women having a right to equal pay which I won't comment on at this time) - namely the fact that disabled people get a special mention:
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Legislation shall provide for measures to eliminate disadvantages affecting disabled people.
On the 18th of May 2003 a vote [admin.ch, German] went before the people to enact legislation requiring public buildings to provide facilities for disabled access. This is similar to the legislation which already exists in many other countries. Almost 50% of voters voted - it was rejected 38% to 62%. Background info here [agile.ch, German].

Naturally this would have cost money, just like it has in other countries. It seems that the "eliminate disadvantages" clause of the constitution only goes as far as the first step, so to speak. This leads me to another sentence in the preamble of the constitution.
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and know that only those remain free who use their freedom, and that the strength of a people is measured by the welfare of the weakest of its members;
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