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What is your military law? The DR 04, the current Service regulations, clearly state that ADAs (members of the armed forces of any rank) CAN be forced to do the training for a higher rank or a special function and to fulfill the duties thereof in service and in civil life (DR 4, version of July 1, 2012, Art. 85 paragraph 1). Of course, when there is not a particularly high demand for candidates, it may be relatively easy to get out, but people CAN be forced.

Where does this yarn come from? Is it in that military law too? In reality, there may bee some wine for cooking in the kitchen, but free wine for majors is totally new to me. Did I miss something in recent years?

By the way, addressing any military ranks as "Herren" got done away with about 40 years ago.
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In principle, the army has the right to order any soldier to become an officer, if it served the national interest, but this aspect became non active before 1950. The other way round, the members of the officer corps of a regiment of course do not get free wine really, but have access to such stuff. more easily than "normalos".


And while of course, nobody since the late 1960ies addressed officers as HERR ...... , it is still in colloquial joking use to speak about DIE HERREN OFFIZIERE
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In principle, the army has the right to order any soldier to become an officer, if it served the national interest, but this aspect became non active before 1950. The other way round, the members of the officer corps of a regiment of course do not get free wine really, but have access to such stuff. more easily than "normalos".


And while of course, nobody since the late 1960ies addressed officers as HERR ...... , it is still in colloquial joking use to speak about DIE HERREN OFFIZIERE

Really, order a soldier to become an Officer.
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Bloody hell, wasn't even born!

while I was in the 6th year of Primary School , under the command of Miss Eickhoff, a teacher with the liberalism of Freiherr von Bismarck and the authority of Generalfeldmarschall von der Goltz
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Really, order a soldier to become an Officer.

THIS was quite usual and General procedure between 1939 and 1945, and indeed theoretically is still possible but I have not got acquainted with a single person after 1972. Yes the chaps in spring 72 even showed me a text which proved that they had the right for force someobody to become officer if in the national interest. But it simply is NOT the case ever since those times.


What is bad about becoming an officer ? It is that you have to become corporal and go the UO (subaltern officer School) than you have to get through a full RS, then you have, a year later, to go to an OS (Offiziers-Schule) and then through a full RS again.
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And you're still hanging around here?

Yea
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Bloody hell, wasn't even born!

Not my fault
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Again, Thank you to Captain Greybeard! It's not looking hopeful is it :-( I can only suggest to him to talk to his CO and see if there is a way out of this.
I'm sure there won't be any problem as to his trip, because, as I wrote, there is wiggling room between those chunks.
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In principle, the army has the right to order any soldier to become an officer, if it served the national interest, but this aspect became non active before 1950.
Sorry, wrong. I was a captain in the 1980s, and it still was common practice then. Of course it was avoided whenever possible, because the Army is not interested in messing up the plans and civil careers of young people, but if a soldier was particularly qualified for a career he could and had to be forced to do it. Since the regulations still say exactly the same, it is possible also today.

There never was a "Military Law" that prevented that, and to this day, the Service Regulations, as mentioned in a former post of mine, very clearly state that it has to be done if necessary. The Service Regulations are the most important "law" of the Swiss Army.
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The other way round, the members of the officer corps of a regiment of course do not get free wine really, but have access to such stuff. more easily than "normalos".
They have to buy it just like any soldier. Maybe that was not the case in the times of General Dufour, but it sure was so in the last 50 years.
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I'm sure there won't be any problem as to his trip, because, as I wrote, there is wiggling room between those chunks.

Sorry, wrong. I was a captain in the 1980s, and it still was common practice then. Of course it was avoided whenever possible, because the Army is not interested in messing up the plans and civil careers of young people, but if a soldier was particularly qualified for a career he could and had to be forced to do it. Since the regulations still say exactly the same, it is possible also today.

There never was a "Military Law" that prevented that, and to this day, the Service Regulations, as mentioned in a former post of mine, very clearly state that it has to be done if necessary. The Service Regulations are the most important "law" of the Swiss Army.

They have to buy it just like any soldier. Maybe that was not the case in the times of General Dufour, but it sure was so in the last 50 years.



Many thanks. So my brother most likely was right when in 1969 or 1970 complaining that he got forced to become a corporal. And those officers who told me in spring 72 that if I agreed I could chose the timetable but if not I would simply be called up were dead right. I much later heard that the colonel in view of my political sympathies made it clear to the captain, Captain Caminada would be kept liable for any MISconduct of me for at least two decades. which gave me the chance to reconsider for a full night. And Dad was clearly wrong when not believing his older son. I for this reason had invented a different story. Only my uncle in Geneva was told the real thing


The only nice thing was that my withdrawal allowed a colleague who was seriously interested in a military career (but less qualified) to advance. I knew him and am perfectly confident that he became a good officer


My brother and me however agreed that wer au immer freiwillig iis Wiitermache iiwilliget isch vom Aff bpisse or in English whomever freely admits to take a Military career must have been bitten by the ape
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So what was the ending of this story?
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So what was the ending of this story?
He stuck pencils up his nose, his underpants on his head and was shot for pretending to be mad

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Best... closure... ever!!!!!!
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This is my first post so first of all 'Hello everyone' My question is my son started his army service three weeks ago and had been hoping to go to Australia in April when he had finished. He has just been informed today that he has to stay on for two years. Can the army do this? How can he get out of it?


army Service ? which army ? there are NO 2 years Service spells here
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