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Re: purchase of e-cigarettes

Curley, you should try vaping too Roll your tobacco in the mornings and after-dinner
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Old 03.01.2017, 22:42
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Curley, you should try vaping too Roll your tobacco in the mornings and after-dinner
I'll wait for your good stuff then

you know if you only roll 2 cigarettes a day that tobacco gets awfully dry soon.
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I'll wait for your good stuff then

you know if you only roll 2 cigarettes a day that tobacco gets awfully dry soon.
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Relevant to the question I asked earlier I've just found a paper:
http://www.cipretvaud.ch/wp/wp-conte...éliminaire.pdf
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What do you recommend for liquids? I use Joyetech stuff from the US but interested to hear about other liquids

(Yes, I am a smoker as well)
Dr Stanley Clark's Original Recipe Snake Oil 0mg was the stuff I finished on when I quit. Tasted amazing.
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Although there would appear to not be any harmful effects of e-cigarette use, there have been no real controlled and regulated studies carried out
There will certainly be harmful effects from the nicotine as that is what causes most of the damage to your arteries. Not inhaling smoke should reduce lung damage depending on whatever is in the liquids used (about which there appears to be no research or control). So I would expect less lung issues but minimal effect on heart problems.

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...and my papers are 100% chemical free (apart from the sticky bit), which I import from Germany...
So you 're concerned about the "chemicals" in the paper but not the crap you're inhaling from the tobacco? Wierd.
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Old 04.01.2017, 10:25
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There will certainly be harmful effects from the nicotine as that is what causes most of the damage to your arteries. Not inhaling smoke should reduce lung damage depending on whatever is in the liquids used (about which there appears to be no research or control). So I would expect less lung issues but minimal effect on heart problems.


So you 're concerned about the "chemicals" in the paper but not the crap you're inhaling from the tobacco? Wierd.
Actually nicotine in it's pure form is a stimulant and in large doses can induce heart attack. Numerous of the 4000+ chemicals in cigarette smoke, notably benzenes and cyanide are what cause cardiovascular damage.
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Old 04.01.2017, 10:32
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the 4000+ chemicals in cigarette smoke
If there are 4000+ chemicals in cigarette smoke, they are clearly in homeopathic concentrations.

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If there are 4000+ chemicals in cigarette smoke, they are clearly in homeopathic concentrations.

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And he was being conservative. Some sources claim there are as many as 7000 different chemicals in cigarette smoke.

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancerc...bacco-products

Some of them have the potential to cause harm but the vast majority of them won't.
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Old 04.01.2017, 12:19
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Actually nicotine in it's pure form is a stimulant and in large doses can induce heart attack. Numerous of the 4000+ chemicals in cigarette smoke, notably benzenes and cyanide are what cause cardiovascular damage.
Had a quick look at this as I had read stuff indicating it was. Seems the jury is very much out on the issue and the research is very contradictory. Quoting from Wikipedia...:


"Human epidemiology studies show that nicotine use is not a significant cause of cardiovascular disease.[46] A 2015 review found that nicotine is associated with cardiovascular disease.[21] "


Very helpful!
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Old 04.01.2017, 12:30
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So you 're concerned about the "chemicals" in the paper but not the crap you're inhaling from the tobacco? Wierd.
You would be surprised what's in the paper of a standard cigarette (and not only combustive agent (Brandbeschleuniger). Although they claim it's not used anymore, they still burn down when put in an ashtrey - mine just stop.
Yes there is a lot of perfume and other unnecessary crap in above mentioned cigarettes, that is less so in roll-ups.
This thread is not about smoking yes/no, btw.

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Actually nicotine in it's pure form is a stimulant and in large doses can induce heart attack. Numerous of the 4000+ chemicals in cigarette smoke, notably benzenes and cyanide are what cause cardiovascular damage.
What surprises me is the extreme high content of nicotine in e-cigarettes. Why would someone switch to those thinking it's "healthier"?
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What surprises me is the extreme high content of nicotine in e-cigarettes. Why would someone switch to those thinking it's "healthier"?
If people switch to those as part of the process of giving up nictotine addiction all together then in the long term it's healthier.
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Old 04.01.2017, 12:44
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Had a quick look at this as I had read stuff indicating it was. Seems the jury is very much out on the issue and the research is very contradictory. Quoting from Wikipedia...:


"Human epidemiology studies show that nicotine use is not a significant cause of cardiovascular disease.[46] A 2015 review found that nicotine is associated with cardiovascular disease.[21] "Very helpful!
Yeah, I came accross an interesting and partly amusing article too. Unfortunately it's in German.

What interests me more in this thread is why did the e-cigarette come on the market, why would people think it is beneficial. I'd be more worried "smoking" those than tobacco, which in it's original state at least is a natural product.
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What interests me more in this thread is why did the e-cigarette come on the market, why would people think it is beneficial. I'd be more worried "smoking" those than tobacco, which in it's original state at least is a natural product.
Have you ever smoked real "unadulterated" tobacco? I have. I had a friend who was researching diseases on tobacco crops and he got me some freshly dried leaves from his study. Very unpleasant.
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Have you ever smoked real "unadulterated" tobacco? I have. I had a friend who was researching diseases on tobacco crops and he got me some freshly dried leaves from his study. Very unpleasant.
No I haven't. But even tea is adulterated, isn't it?
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Who's talking about quitting? What have e-cigarettes got to do with quitting?
Horses for courses. For me e-cigarettes simply replaced one 'cigarette' with another, others have used them successfully to quit. I used patches instead. Others need to go cold turkey. Whatever works.

Clearly you know better and I'm sure you can share your evidence with the rest of us and show us how well informed you are.
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Patches also use nicotine. As does gum. Most, if not all, nicotine-replacement therapies actually use nicotine, oddly enough.

Quitting smoking - and I write this presume you were never a smoker - is both a chemical and psychological addition (it's incredible how 'comforting' the act of smoking can become) and for many the prefer to take it one step at a time. How addicted people are also varies. There are some who never really get addicted and can quit or restart at the drop of a hat, and others who might as well be on crack cocaine.
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Anjela wrote that people shouldn't start smoking in the first place. Not everyone on this forum smokes. Some may start.
So, it's good advice for those people.
She didn't address those people who don't smoke though, she addressed a smoker. It sounded like sanctimonious BS to me.
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Do we really need a new generation of impressionable youngsters becoming slaves to nicotine?
Maybe the nicotine keeps them away from Dungeons and Dragons which is the real danger?
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Horses for courses. For me e-cigarettes simply replaced one 'cigarette' with another, others have used them successfully to quit. I used patches instead. Others need to go cold turkey. Whatever works.
So did I understand that correctly:
  • You changed to e-cigarettes because you wanted to quit? (If they had nicotine you - according to my "research" - inhaled more nicotine than with the tobacco-ones)
  • As it "simply replaced one cigarette with an other" it was the same pleasure to you?
  • Or did you go for the lemon or chees-cake taste ones (which would make most people quit, I guess )

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psychological addition (it's incredible how 'comforting' the act of smoking can become)
absolutely.
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Have you ever smoked real "unadulterated" tobacco?
Yes, as I grow it.

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I had a friend who was researching diseases on tobacco crops and he got me some freshly dried leaves from his study. Very unpleasant.
Obviously, as they shouldn't be "freshly dried", but rather aged and fermented.

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Horses for courses. For me e-cigarettes simply replaced one 'cigarette' with another, others have used them successfully to quit. I used patches instead. Others need to go cold turkey. Whatever works.

Clearly you know better and I'm sure you can share your evidence with the rest of us and show us how well informed you are.
I never said I knew better. Why do you think I think I do?

But you've probably hit the nail on the head when you wrote, "or me e-cigarettes simply replaced one 'cigarette' with another". The difference between e-cigs and more established forms of nictone replacement such as gum and patches is that the latter released nictotine slowly into the bloodstream so your relieve the cravings without getting that physiologically pleasant nicotine "hit" as you would in a normal cigarette and a e-cig.

That's probably why health experts state that whilst e-cigs work as a replacement for smoking, they probably aren't so effective as a way of giving up nicotine addiction.

I used to smoke many years ago. I found it incredibly hard to give up. I used nicotine gum and it worked. I don't have any cravings now.

I know lots of ex-smokers who have health problems due to smoking that will be with them for the rest of their (probably shortened) lives.
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That's probably why health experts state that whilst e-cigs work as a replacement for smoking, they probably aren't so effective as a way of giving up nicotine addiction.
I went from 16mg juice to 0 mg in two months, stopped vaping the month after. I have two cigars a year now. Depends on what your objective is when you switch from one t'other.
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Yes, as I grow it.
you do? What do you do with it?
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