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Re: A little warning to parents of very small children about "three kings bread"...

the ones at Coop have that as well. Honestly a 3 year old can choke on mashed banana if they shovel enough into their mouth. Anyone who would give anything edible or otherwise to a young child unsupervised should not be shocked when something happens.

Also, you can plead language ignorance all day but if you are seriously telling me that a "special" bread - which it obviously is since it's not an every day thing plus there is a crown in it, doesn't spark curiosity enough to even glance at the packaging well... how on earth did you make it this far to begin with?

Also the following statements are on the packaging next to the symbol. No matter how uni-lingual you claim to be, if you are so daft that the following in bold is incomprehensible to you than living abroad is clearly not for you. Although I would be willing to go out on a limb and suggest that if there was no effort to look at the packaging in the first place then placing a warning in English would have been ignored anyway.


"Produckt enthält versclukbare Teile (Plastikfigur!)

Contient des pieces pouvant etre avalees (figurine en plastique)!

Contiene piccole particelle che potrebbero essere inghiottite (figurina in plastica)!"


The lesson here should be watch your kids, you had them, you alone are responsible for them and you are in der Schweiz now. basic knowledge of one of 3 languages should not be difficult especially when many words such as the warning above are indeed easy to understand if one would just take a second to try.

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Thanks; couldn't agree more!

Back on topic, I happened to be passing through Migros this afternoon and can confirm that the king cakes there are labeled in three languages (D/F/I) plus a symbol that looks like this:
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the ones at Coop have that as well. Honestly a 3 year old can choke on mashed banana if they shovel enough into their mouth. Anyone who would give anything edible or otherwise to a young child unsupervised should not be shocked when something happens.

Also, you can plead language ignorance all day but if you are seriously telling me that a "special" bread - which it obviously is since it's not an every day thing plus there is a crown in it, doesn't spark curiosity enough to even glance at the packaging well... how on earth did you make it this far to begin with?

Also the following statements are on the packaging next to the symbol. No matter how uni-lingual you claim to be, if you are so daft that the following in bold is incomprehensible to you than living abroad is clearly not for you. Although I would be willing to go out on a limb and suggest that if there was no effort to look at the packaging in the first place then placing a warning in English would have been ignored anyway.


"Produckt enthält versclukbare Teile (Plastikfigur!)

Contient des pieces pouvant etre avalees (figurine en plastique)!

Contiene piccole particelle che potrebbero essere inghiottite (figurina in plastica)!"


The lesson here should be watch your kids, you had them, you alone are responsible for them and you are in der Schweiz now. basic knowledge of one of 3 languages should not be difficult especially when many words such as the warning above are indeed easy to understand if one would just take a second to try.
It's really quite a shame they don't make special, mandatory schools for people that need a reality check.
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exactly. I would even offer to pay for you enrollment if only such a thing existed

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exactly. I would even offer to pay for you enrollment if only such a thing existed
Thanks, but I think that studying philosophy (etc.) for six years was more than enough.

I don't even know where to begin in addressing your post...

But I would start with the fact that my friend has a 1 1/2 year and a 3 year-old. Her attention is almost constantly divided between the two of them, and she is always in a state of trying to prioritize her attention to them. I don't know if you're a parent, but I can assure you that (from what I've witnessed the many times I've hung out with her), she is a very good and very caring mother, and it is impossible for her to watch her children non-stop 100% of the time. For that matter, I don't think it's possible for a parent of even just ONE child to watch their child non-stop, 100% of the time. There will always be something, at some point, that has to steal your attention (e.g. a phone call, a knock on the door).

Even the most watchful and cautious parent is not exempt from the risk of their child choking (or getting hurt in some other way). That's just the unfortunate reality of being a parent.

Secondly, my friend has only lived here for about 5 months. There is simply no way that she can be fluent in German or fully "integrated" at this point (e.g. to have known about this bread), particularly given the fact that she has to constantly look after her two small children while her husband (a urologist) works so often and remains on-call virtually 24/7.

Yes, in an ideal world, all of us parents would be able to watch our children "like a hawk" and be in a constant position that allows us to protect them and prevent them from having accidents. But being that that's not the way reality works, we are usually confined to trying to do the best that reality allows us to.
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Let me rephrase that: "most foreigners that I know here".

But, of course, foreigners were more integrated back when I moved here.

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I found a white plastic king this morning in the piece of bread and I had to explain to my colleague about this tradition. I mentioned that there is a huge discussion taking place on the englishforum... anyway point is, He knew nothing about this bread. He's been living here since 15 years and comes from Austria.
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the ones at Coop have that as well. Honestly a 3 year old can choke on mashed banana if they shovel enough into their mouth. Anyone who would give anything edible or otherwise to a young child unsupervised should not be shocked when something happens.

Also, you can plead language ignorance all day but if you are seriously telling me that a "special" bread - which it obviously is since it's not an every day thing plus there is a crown in it, doesn't spark curiosity enough to even glance at the packaging well... how on earth did you make it this far to begin with?

Also the following statements are on the packaging next to the symbol. No matter how uni-lingual you claim to be, if you are so daft that the following in bold is incomprehensible to you than living abroad is clearly not for you. Although I would be willing to go out on a limb and suggest that if there was no effort to look at the packaging in the first place then placing a warning in English would have been ignored anyway.


"Produckt enthält versclukbare Teile (Plastikfigur!)

Contient des pieces pouvant etre avalees (figurine en plastique)!

Contiene piccole particelle che potrebbero essere inghiottite (figurina in plastica)!"


The lesson here should be watch your kids, you had them, you alone are responsible for them and you are in der Schweiz now. basic knowledge of one of 3 languages should not be difficult especially when many words such as the warning above are indeed easy to understand if one would just take a second to try.


I do agree with the Plastikfigur thing and as I said in my previous post- that sign is a warning sign that you don't have to read, you just have to look at it and you should think it is not safe , especially if you have small children.
But I do not agree with the fact that you claim that the mother didn't supervise her child. Yes, a child can choke with mashed banana and no it doesn't have to be shoveled in. It just happens. Even when you are feeding the baby and you are right there, close to your child.
I was out with my friend and her 18 mths old child. She gave her a small piece of biscuit. She ate those biscuits before and they are baby biscuits. In few seconds the child suddenly took 2 gasps, showing choking signs and we had to act quickly . We all had a big scare.
So you can not say that she wasn't supervising her child.

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Thanks, but I think that studying philosophy (etc.) for six years was more than enough.

I don't even know where to begin in addressing your post...

But I would start with the fact that my friend has a 1 1/2 year and a 3 year-old. Her attention is almost constantly divided between the two of them, and she is always in a state of trying to prioritize her attention to them. I don't know if you're a parent, but I can assure you that (from what I've witnessed the many times I've hung out with her), she is a very good and very caring mother, and it is impossible for her to watch her children non-stop 100% of the time. For that matter, I don't think it's possible for a parent of even just ONE child to watch their child non-stop, 100% of the time. There will always be something, at some point, that has to steal your attention (e.g. a phone call, a knock on the door).

Even the most watchful and cautious parent is not exempt from the risk of their child choking (or getting hurt in some other way). That's just the unfortunate reality of being a parent.

Secondly, my friend has only lived here for about 5 months. There is simply no way that she can be fluent in German or fully "integrated" at this point (e.g. to have known about this bread), particularly given the fact that she has to constantly look after her two small children while her husband (a urologist) works so often and remains on-call virtually 24/7.

Yes, in an ideal world, all of us parents would be able to watch our children "like a hawk" and be in a constant position that allows us to protect them and prevent them from having accidents. But being that that's not the way reality works, we are usually confined to trying to do the best that reality allows us to.
Reminds me of a Swiss joke. A person starts his/her first day at work and the boss comes in and says "Get a broom and sweep the yard" New persons says "I beg your pardon but I have studied Philosophy for six years" Boss "Oh excuse me I`ll show you how to do it"
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Re: A little warning to parents of very small children about "three kings bread"...

This thread reminds me of those American movies when a marriage proposal is usually done by hiding the ring in a cake, or a glass of champagne. Just out of curiosity, do people do this kind of stuff in real life? I mean, it looks like you'd rather want to kill your girlfriend than marrying her.
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I won twice.
German class yesterday and at wok today.....
Either I am lucky or someone is trying to kill me.
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1.5 and 3 year old? seriously? With emphasis as if to imply someone with 2 kids is so stretched that I should understand the unwillingness to glance over a package? LOL like I said in another thread: I have a 2 year old, 3.5 year old, and 4.5 year old and manage with less than 5-6 hours of interrupted sleep per night. Mothers get over yourselves. we all make choices, some of us are just better equipped to deal with the consequences of those choices.

Like I said, if you are so daft that the following:
"Produckt enthält versclukbare Teile (Plastikfigur!)

Contient des pieces pouvant etre avalees (figurine en plastique)!

Contiene piccole particelle che potrebbero essere inghiottite (figurina in plastica)!

is incomprehensible to you than certainly living anywhere outside of the US or UK (incl the anglo speaking Commonwealth of course) is not for you. It doesn't even take imagination - PLASTIC should be a heads up! What if he had put the crown around his neck? Would it be the bakers fault for not telling you that a round object could be used as a noose?

It's a warning, I understand you're trying to provide a service to those who don't know about the cake. I just think the warning is misguided. It should not be "DO NOT GIVE THIS CAKE TO INFANTS!!" rather, hey fellow expats. you know how we all say we don't understand German, French, Italian? well, it turns out that labels in Switzerland are quite comprehensive and easy to read and anyone with young children should get in the habit of skimming over the packaging. It actually helps to understand the native language better and is encouraging to see how similar our own languages are in some ways. It has nothing to do with integration, if you see something you have never seen before, take a second to glance at the packaging if for no other reason to at least try to understand what it is and especially if you plan to give it to an infant.

I get it, you're from the US where kinder surprise eggs are banned because the population is so stupid that they cannot handle the concept. For the civilized world, we take responsibility for our offspring and read the (actually not so fine) print.

lunch done, off to bring big boy back to kindergarten. And that means getting the other 2 dressed and out the door as well. Oh and he had kindergarten this morning too - brought all three out, dropped the eldest off, went to Migros for recycling and groceries, came back home. Read to the 2 & 3.5 year old, baked scones together, cleaned up the kitchen afterwards, did 2 loads of laundry in the meantime, vacuumed, went to pick the eldest up from kindergarten which involved of course jackets, boots, hats, mittens for the others... left with 2, came back with 3 hungry boys, made sandwiches for lunch brushed all their teeth and still managed to have time for a quick post on EF before getting them all bundled up to drop the eldest off at kinsky again. don't ever tell me I don't know what it's like to have A kid or a "1 1/2 year and a 3 year-old" LOL

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Thanks, but I think that studying philosophy (etc.) for six years was more than enough.

I don't even know where to begin in addressing your post...

But I would start with the fact that my friend has a 1 1/2 year and a 3 year-old. Her attention is almost constantly divided between the two of them, and she is always in a state of trying to prioritize her attention to them. I don't know if you're a parent, but I can assure you that (from what I've witnessed the many times I've hung out with her), she is a very good and very caring mother, and it is impossible for her to watch her children non-stop 100% of the time. For that matter, I don't think it's possible for a parent of even just ONE child to watch their child non-stop, 100% of the time. There will always be something, at some point, that has to steal your attention (e.g. a phone call, a knock on the door).

Even the most watchful and cautious parent is not exempt from the risk of their child choking (or getting hurt in some other way). That's just the unfortunate reality of being a parent.

Secondly, my friend has only lived here for about 5 months. There is simply no way that she can be fluent in German or fully "integrated" at this point (e.g. to have known about this bread), particularly given the fact that she has to constantly look after her two small children while her husband (a urologist) works so often and remains on-call virtually 24/7.

Yes, in an ideal world, all of us parents would be able to watch our children "like a hawk" and be in a constant position that allows us to protect them and prevent them from having accidents. But being that that's not the way reality works, we are usually confined to trying to do the best that reality allows us to.
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is incomprehensible to you than certainly living anywhere outside of the US or UK (incl the anglo speaking Commonwealth of course) is not for you.
Hey, leave the U.K. out of it. We were putting sixpences and metal trinkets in Christmas puddings many hundreds of years before the Swiss thought to put a bit of plastic in a bit of bread!
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My apologies. did not mean to imply that the UK would ban this cake, only that if language is an issue than for that person living elsewhere is only viable if the native language where they move is also English.

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Hey, leave the U.K. out of it. We were putting sixpences and metal trinkets in Christmas puddings many hundreds of years before the Swiss thought to put a bit of plastic in a bit of bread!
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Does anyone know the time required for a foreign body to progress through the grown adult dietary system; and if the gold kings are really gold, once located and rinsed?
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lunch done, off to bring big boy back to kindergarten. And that means getting the other 2 dressed and out the door as well. Oh and he had kindergarten this morning too - brought all three out, dropped the eldest off, went to Migros for recycling and groceries, came back home. Read to the 2 & 3.5 year old, baked scones together, cleaned up the kitchen afterwards, did 2 loads of laundry in the meantime, vacuumed, went to pick the eldest up from kindergarten which involved of course jackets, boots, hats, mittens for the others... left with 2, came back with 3 hungry boys, made sandwiches for lunch brushed all their teeth and still managed to have time for a quick post on EF before getting them all bundled up to drop the eldest off at kinsky again. don't ever tell me I don't know what it's like to have A kid or a "1 1/2 year and a 3 year-old" LOL
Wow. If I was a man I would have married you. Seriously.
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Reminds me of a Swiss joke. A person starts his/her first day at work and the boss comes in and says "Get a broom and sweep the yard" New persons says "I beg your pardon but I have studied Philosophy for six years" Boss "Oh excuse me I`ll show you how to do it"
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1.5 and 3 year old? seriously? With emphasis as if to imply someone with 2 kids is so stretched that I should understand the unwillingness to glance over a package? LOL like I said in another thread: I have a 2 year old, 3.5 year old, and 4.5 year old and manage with less than 5-6 hours of interrupted sleep per night. Mothers get over yourselves. we all make choices, some of us are just better equipped to deal with the consequences of those choices.

Like I said, if you are so daft that the following:
"Produckt enthält versclukbare Teile (Plastikfigur!)

Contient des pieces pouvant etre avalees (figurine en plastique)!

Contiene piccole particelle che potrebbero essere inghiottite (figurina in plastica)!

is incomprehensible to you than certainly living anywhere outside of the US or UK (incl the anglo speaking Commonwealth of course) is not for you. It doesn't even take imagination - PLASTIC should be a heads up! What if he had put the crown around his neck? Would it be the bakers fault for not telling you that a round object could be used as a noose?

It's a warning, I understand you're trying to provide a service to those who don't know about the cake. I just think the warning is misguided. It should not be "DO NOT GIVE THIS CAKE TO INFANTS!!" rather, hey fellow expats. you know how we all say we don't understand German, French, Italian? well, it turns out that labels in Switzerland are quite comprehensive and easy to read and anyone with young children should get in the habit of skimming over the packaging. It actually helps to understand the native language better and is encouraging to see how similar our own languages are in some ways. It has nothing to do with integration, if you see something you have never seen before, take a second to glance at the packaging if for no other reason to at least try to understand what it is and especially if you plan to give it to an infant.

I get it, you're from the US where kinder surprise eggs are banned because the population is so stupid that they cannot handle the concept. For the civilized world, we take responsibility for our offspring and read the (actually not so fine) print.

lunch done, off to bring big boy back to kindergarten. And that means getting the other 2 dressed and out the door as well. Oh and he had kindergarten this morning too - brought all three out, dropped the eldest off, went to Migros for recycling and groceries, came back home. Read to the 2 & 3.5 year old, baked scones together, cleaned up the kitchen afterwards, did 2 loads of laundry in the meantime, vacuumed, went to pick the eldest up from kindergarten which involved of course jackets, boots, hats, mittens for the others... left with 2, came back with 3 hungry boys, made sandwiches for lunch brushed all their teeth and still managed to have time for a quick post on EF before getting them all bundled up to drop the eldest off at kinsky again. don't ever tell me I don't know what it's like to have A kid or a "1 1/2 year and a 3 year-old" LOL
Well, aren't you just mother of the year... and shouldn't we all be just like you?

I hate to break this to you, but the fact that kinder surprise eggs (etc.) are banned in the US has nothing to do with me. The US is the third most populated country in the world... and perhaps one of the most diverse in terms of lifestyles, opinions, etc. etc. Being that the US is not a "true democracy," the laws do not always reflect the majority opinion of the population.

I think most expats here have encountered, after moving to CH, numerous (perhaps endless) brands and products that we had, previously, never encountered. If you honestly expect each of us to take the time to read all the details on the label on every single product that we buy, then, again, I think you are in dire need of a reality check.
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Wow. If I was a man I would have married you. Seriously.
I thought that he was a man and would snap him up anyway. Not too keen on sandwiches for lunch tho`but one has to compromise.
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I found a white plastic king this morning in the piece of bread and I had to explain to my colleague about this tradition. I mentioned that there is a huge discussion taking place on the englishforum... anyway point is, He knew nothing about this bread. He's been living here since 15 years and comes from Austria.
Wow, that's what I call curiosity!
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Re: A little warning to parents of very small children about "three kings bread"...

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I thought that he was a man and would snap him up anyway. Not too keen on sandwiches for lunch tho`but one has to compromise.
I thought he was a man too and was wondering if I could trade him in for mine.
Can't complain though as mine is a great cook ( and he doesn't feel the need to tell everyone how good he is) and the only household chore he can't do if necessary is ironing and I don't actually mind doing that. On reflection I think I'll keep him.

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Re: A little warning to parents of very small children about "three kings bread"...

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My apologies. did not mean to imply that the UK would ban this cake, only that if language is an issue than for that person living elsewhere is only viable if the native language where they move is also English.
Not so helpful advice for the person whose child choked, though, given that she's Dutch.
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