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Re: why the fascination of North-of-the-Alps Europeans with Pizza instead of Spaghett

Unless one is a guest in an Italian household or visiting Italy, who cares what the Italians do?
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Old 10.02.2015, 11:40
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but you're not required to magically wrap it around your fork without recourse to any other instruments.
Only unmannered foreigners need other instruments to wrap pasta around their forks.

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Old 10.02.2015, 11:46
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Pizza in Italy is not eaten with the hands except by mannerless foreigners.

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Not always. It's perfectly fine to eat to eat pizza in Italy with your hands if you order a slab from a take-away place and they fold it in half with the dough on the outside purposely so you can eat it with your hands.
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Pizza in Italy is not eaten with the hands except by mannerless foreigners.
Not entirely true. Pizza rustica / al taglio - pizza bought by the slice (traditionally by the 'etto' or 100g weight) and eaten on the go can be as it tends to be thicker. In a restaurant it can't largely because Italian pizza is thin and would just 'flop' if you picked it up.
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Only unmannered foreigners need other instruments to wrap pasta around their forks.
Also not entirely true. It's acceptable, or at least tolerated, to eat spaghetti with a fork and a spoon.
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Most pasta dishes served in Restaurants is tourist food and are not very authentic recipes. I also find a lot of the dishes here in Switzerland are Northern Italian, heavy and creamy.
Northern Italy North of the Pisa Perugia Line means a majority of the People and of the economy and of the culture
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Re: why the fascination of North-of-the-Alps Europeans with Pizza instead of Spaghett

My kids eat more döners than pizza when eating out.
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My kids eat more döners than pizza when eating out.
because its cheaper?
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Re: why the fascination of North-of-the-Alps Europeans with Pizza instead of Spaghett

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indeed.

My (not remotely Italian) mother's and grandmother's approach to spaghetti is to break it up before cooking - not into bite size pieces but maybe in half or thirds. Kids still get the fun of slurping or twirling up long pieces, but they're manageably long. Even two or three strands of full-length spaghetti is quite a mouthful for a two-year-old.

My personal approach is to substitute a less messy shape of noodles altogether. Elbows, corkscrews, bowties, just about any other shape you care to mention holds sauce better than spaghetti does anyway.
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For me, I can't make a really really good pizza at home. I can cook (non-homemade) really good pasta, so I am less keen to go out and eat something I cook as good as (or not better) at home - especially at Zurich prices.

Back to the pizza, it is comforting, indulgent (if you don't share), exactly what you feel like (choice of toppings), lazy, finger licking food.
Exactly, pasta is much easier dish to recreate well for the average kitchen. Pizza is more of a "treat", and thanks to Dominos et al is also pretty much (and sadly in some respects) seen as a luxury fast food in the eyes of many people.
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Re: why the fascination of North-of-the-Alps Europeans with Pizza instead of Spaghett

Pasta dishes in Italy are too dry, not enough sauce - or not enough of anything in the sauce to make it enjoyable - and the spaghetti is rubbery.
Ja ... "al dente" is very well, but its still only half cooked. Spaghetti should be able to stick to the ceiling when thrown!


My feeling about Italian pasta dishes is that they are really and genuinely "peasant" dishes intended only to fill stomachs, not nutritious in any way, not delicious, contain nothing but pasta - with a bit of flavouring dribbled/sprinkled over the top. It is after all, just boiled up flour.


That is why I`m so glad I have visited Italy ..... I need never go there again.
Pasta at home is delicious ... Bolognaise with lots of mince and sauce, other dishes with rich creamy cheese fillings/sauces - mouth watering, instead of mouth gluing.


Pizza is nice, because it`s at least got a decent amount of cheese sizzling on top. And some flavour.
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Pasta dishes in Italy are too dry, not enough sauce - or not enough of anything in the sauce to make it enjoyable - and the spaghetti is rubbery.
Ja ... "al dente" is very well, but its still only half cooked. Spaghetti should be able to stick to the ceiling when thrown!


It's the 1970s again and people have just discovered this weird foreign thing called pasta in the supermarkets.

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...Elbows, corkscrews, bowties, ....
You'll make St2lemans mad. It's macaroni, fusilli and farfalle.

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It's the 1970s again and people have just discovered this weird foreign thing called pasta in the supermarkets.
Can you cook those? I always thought they were long toothpicks.

Well, I'm back to my soggy chips and mushy peas. These foreigners have no idea

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You'll make St2lemans mad. It's macaroni, fusilli and farfalle.
I thought those were WW2 generals.
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I once had an Italian GF and she would go ballistic when I cut the spaghetti with a knife. So I learnt to do so when she wasn't looking. It was playing with fire though.

You indeed can use a Teutonen-Löffel when eating Spaghetti, not highly appreciated by Italians but accepted, while to use a knife is no way

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My kids eat more döners than pizza when eating out.


May God bless your Kids for their wisdom

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indeed.

My (not remotely Italian) mother's and grandmother's approach to spaghetti is to break it up before cooking - not into bite size pieces but maybe in half or thirds. Kids still get the fun of slurping or twirling up long pieces, but they're manageably long. Even two or three strands of full-length spaghetti is quite a mouthful for a two-year-old.

My personal approach is to substitute a less messy shape of noodles altogether. Elbows, corkscrews, bowties, just about any other shape you care to mention holds sauce better than spaghetti does anyway.

To break Spaghetti up is BARBARIAN

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Pasta dishes in Italy are too dry, not enough sauce - or not enough of anything in the sauce to make it enjoyable - and the spaghetti is rubbery.
Ja ... "al dente" is very well, but its still only half cooked. Spaghetti should be able to stick to the ceiling when thrown!


My feeling about Italian pasta dishes is that they are really and genuinely "peasant" dishes intended only to fill stomachs, not nutritious in any way, not delicious, contain nothing but pasta - with a bit of flavouring dribbled/sprinkled over the top. It is after all, just boiled up flour.


That is why I`m so glad I have visited Italy ..... I need never go there again.
Pasta at home is delicious ... Bolognaise with lots of mince and sauce, other dishes with rich creamy cheese fillings/sauces - mouth watering, instead of mouth gluing.


Pizza is nice, because it`s at least got a decent amount of cheese sizzling on top. And some flavour.

Spaghetti Bolognese (different names are used) and Spaghetti Toscana and Spaghetti Milanese are really enjoyable

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Pasta dishes in Italy are too dry, not enough sauce - or not enough of anything in the sauce to make it enjoyable - and the spaghetti is rubbery.
Ja ... "al dente" is very well, but its still only half cooked. Spaghetti should be able to stick to the ceiling when thrown!


My feeling about Italian pasta dishes is that they are really and genuinely "peasant" dishes intended only to fill stomachs, not nutritious in any way, not delicious, contain nothing but pasta - with a bit of flavouring dribbled/sprinkled over the top. It is after all, just boiled up flour.


That is why I`m so glad I have visited Italy ..... I need never go there again.
Pasta at home is delicious ... Bolognaise with lots of mince and sauce, other dishes with rich creamy cheese fillings/sauces - mouth watering, instead of mouth gluing.


Pizza is nice, because it`s at least got a decent amount of cheese sizzling on top. And some flavour.
I can only agree.

When in visited Italy, the tiramisu tasted differently everywhere. That was so annoying. That country obviously isn't capable to produce a decent version of it like the ones you buy in Lidl.

And did i mention the espresso that is way too strong compared to the superior Starbucks products?
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Spaghetti Bolognese...
isn't Italian.

The Italian equivalent is 'tagliatelle al ragu'.

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Re: why the fascination of North-of-the-Alps Europeans with Pizza instead of Spaghett

It is simple really, Pizza is one of the most enjoyable foods in the world. Pasta can be good but does not have that hedonistic pleasure. Pizza for the win.
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I can only agree.

When in visited Italy, the tiramisu tasted differently everywhere. That was so annoying. That country obviously isn't capable to produce a decent version of it like the ones you buy in Lidl.

And did i mention the espresso that is way too strong compared to the superior Starbucks products?
I love Italian food too - especially this:

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To break Spaghetti up is BARBARIAN
My family does that. And boils them too much. Plus it's sauce with spaghetti not the other way around.
They can't be bothered with what's Italian or not..
My only hope it's to make them drink wine without mineral water....one day...(no, I don't actually think it will ever happen)

I too do that sometimes and OH also says it's barbaric!
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