International Women's Day: (not) worth celebrating? - Page 18

Aeneas · #**341** 11.03.2016, 15:31

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	Rather than addressing the points made you scream victim hood of your own.

Oh diddums, did someone suggest that you could not have final say on who has a hard time of it?

The Caitlyn Jenner debacle last year made public the rather unpleasant side of victim politics, with various feminists openly making transphobic (a word, that if it even existed prior to 2015, has hardly known) comments. It was clear that the idea that women are not the only victims in the World was not appreciated by some.

Your reaction here to the mere suggestion that women may not be the only ones to have been dealt some bad cards, is a rather hilarious reminder of that hypocrisy.

Aeneas · #**342** 11.03.2016, 15:35

	Quote:	Chuff
	Wow, that little spat escalated into deep-and-personal-attack territory most impressively quickly.

In fairness, Uncle Max happily told us all that all fathers are either deadbeats or just incompetent idiots at best. Oh; and men are the source of all domestic violence.

Were one to make a similar remark about any other group - blacks, women, gays, etc - would you not expect some level of outrage? Or is it OK because we're only penis wielding foot-soldiers of the Patriarchy anyway?

Chuff · #**343** 11.03.2016, 15:38

	Quote:	Aeneas
	In fairness, Uncle Max happily told us all that all fathers are either deadbeats or just incompetent idiots at best. Oh; and men are the source of all domestic violence. Were one to make a similar remark about any other group - blacks, women, gays, etc - would you not expect some level of outrage? Or is it OK because we're only penis wielding foot-soldiers of the Patriarchy anyway?

Uncle Max is a man, as far as I am aware... just in case you thought otherwise.

Aeneas · #**344** 11.03.2016, 16:10

	Quote:	Chuff
	Uncle Max is a man, as far as I am aware... just in case you thought otherwise.

What difference does that make? I'm sure many of us have come across his self-loathing ilk in university; brandishing their indignant little fists in defiance against 'de Pawah'...

#**345** 11.03.2016, 21:32

	Quote:	Aeneas
	Or is it OK because we're only penis wielding foot-soldiers of the Patriarchy anyway?

Yes, but is the pay scale fair? What benefits do you get?*

*beating a retreat to go and look after her snotty daughter before she marks a load of essays for her job where as far as she is aware (for there is a published pay scale) she is paid the same as everyone else who is doing the same job (and who was paid more than some of her male colleagues in the UK who were doing the same job... )

Aeneas · #**346** 14.03.2016, 10:52

	Quote:
	Yes, but is the pay scale fair? What benefits do you get?*

Depends on why it's happening and even then there's probably no black and white answer. Unless you're looking for a black and white answer, that is, in which case you'll no doubt find one.

#**347** 14.03.2016, 12:48

	Quote:	Aeneas
	Depends on why it's happening and even then there's probably no black and white answer. Unless you're looking for a black and white answer, that is, in which case you'll no doubt find one.

Eh?

Aeneas · #**348** 14.03.2016, 15:15

	Quote:
	Eh?

What Chemmie and CorsebouTheReturn wrote. If you don't know what I mean, then never mind. It would never get past the confirmation bias filter anyway.

Medea Fleecestealer · #**349** 15.03.2016, 13:27

And then you're up against this sort of mind-set.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/reuters/...amic-/42022950

Religion - made by men, for men and woe betide anyone who tries to change things.

Carlos R · #**350** 15.03.2016, 15:10

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	Start a dedicated Well Man thread, seriously. It may prove good therapy for you.

Already been done: Misandry in the Western Society. The War on Men.

Uncle Max · #**351** 16.03.2016, 17:03

	Quote:	Aeneas
	What difference does that make? I'm sure many of us have come across his self-loathing ilk in university; brandishing their indignant little fists in defiance against 'de Pawah'...

Limp wrists. You forgot about limp wrists.

Here's a link to a SWI article on the pay gap. I've linked info before which you chose to ignore; below you'll find the conclusions of the International Labour Organisation:

"Women work longer hours
For both paid and unpaid work in wealthier nations, women work an average of 8 hours and 9 minutes a day; for men it is 7 hours and 36 minutes a day. Women also do at least two and a half times more unpaid household and care work than men."

"Child care
In developed countries, women spend an average of 4 hours and 20 minutes on unpaid care work per day; men, by comparison, spend 2 hours and 16 minutes. "

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In consideration of your angle, perhaps women are just stupid. Why work for free..? Some old white dudes agree:

"Hans-Ulrich Bigler, director of the Association of Small and Medium-sized Enterprises, gave this message in an interview with Geneva’s Courrier newspaper in February.

“These people [low salary earners] can generally count on another salary which is higher than theirs. Women who work part-time and for less than CHF22 an hour do so to contribute to the household,” he commented.

In a similar vein, Roland Müller, president of the Swiss Employers’ Association, believes the gender wage gap is down to a different “state of mind” between male and female workers.

“For some well-paid posts you have to be prepared to give more effort. It’s really men who are ready to accept the extra hours,” he told the Bund and Tages-Anzeiger newspapers."

With such attitudes is it any wonder so many - and their ilk - are in denial they may be part of the problem?

Aeneas · #**352** 16.03.2016, 17:14

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	With such attitudes is it any wonder so many - and their ilk - are in denial they may be part of the problem?

Tell us more about how all "fathers are either absent or at best around but clueless", because any discussion between us ended when you started coming out with this kind of bigoted misandry.

Uncle Max · #**353** 16.03.2016, 17:34

	Quote:	Aeneas
	... because any discussion between us ended when you started coming out with this kind of bigoted misandry.

No it didn't; you're replying

Ps, try harder. Sticks & Stones and all that, but stop derailing the thread and perhaps address the issue. I think you're scared of the evidence and I called you on it. My bad for calling you a coward. I apologise for that. You're apparently just deliberately ignorant.

manwithnoname · #**354** 16.03.2016, 20:32

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	Limp wrists. You forgot about limp wrists. Here's a link to a SWI article on the pay gap. I've linked info before which you chose to ignore; below you'll find the conclusions of the International Labour Organisation: "Women work longer hours For both paid and unpaid work in wealthier nations, women work an average of 8 hours and 9 minutes a day; for men it is 7 hours and 36 minutes a day. Women also do at least two and a half times more unpaid household and care work than men."

lol at the word "also" in that sentence. makes it sound as if women work 8:09 plus unpaid work on top. women do more unpaid housework which, if you add that up to the fewer paid hours come out a bit ahead of men in total work hours.

not sure what unpaid work entails. could be anything ranging from fetching water at the local well to rearranging a flower bouquet.

anyway, men work more career hours. so what is your point?

cess · #**355** 16.03.2016, 20:55

Ill just leave this here.....

hope everyone had a great day

Looking forward to international mens day.

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/201...ruined-by-men/

jacek · #**356** 16.03.2016, 21:03

Let's assume, for a sake of peace, that women and men work equally hard irrespective of their working hours involved, lines of duty, house wife's/husband's status, trailing spouses roles and their career paths.

There are moments in life that one spouse must work harder than the other now and vice versa can happen later. Your time will come, they say. For a durable family and longlasting relationship, it's crucial that both spouses complete each other in chores and don't point the fingers who has done more or less work. It requires respect towards both genders and rule of equality.

greenmount · #**357** 16.03.2016, 21:18

	Quote:	cess
	Ill just leave this here..... hope everyone had a great day Looking forward to international mens day. http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/201...ruined-by-men/

One of the readers comments was funnier than the article itself...Irish humor at its best.

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	It's the same on Mother's Day. My wife always said I ruined it for her! How did she come to that conclusion? I used to get up real early, put on new underpants and pour talcum powder in me socks and get the cat to lie on me shirt while I went for a shite and a shave. Then I would say to the love of my life 'Come on! Take that apron off and I will take you to the pub as it's Mother's Day!' Well talk about picking holes! 'Oh!' she would say ' have to get the kids up, iron their clothes, bath them, clean the house, decorate the hall,prepare the dinner, mow the grass, wash the car and get some shopping in!' Always an excuse. 'Ok,' I would say 'You crack on and I will head to the pub and try and find ye a nice seat. I know she likes a seat because she sat down last year when she came there just at closing. Then I would head to the pub and meet the lads and them being in the same boat having to drink alone on the Mother's Day because their wives found fiddly little things to do at the last minute. Anyway we would have the craic and then I would get home. Now sometimes, I don't know why, but I get sick in the garden when I come back from the pub. I would say it was a dirty glass or a reaction to the stresses of life in general, but didn't I get sick on the wife as she was mowing the grass. So what an over reaction! She rears up like a bull and calls me a drunken . So for peace of mind I go to bed. Right glad I was that I had no money left, it all having gone in the pub till, to buy her flowers and chocolates like they do in the films but then that's only fantasy I suppose and does not happen in real life. These days I don't have to worry about Mother's Day as the wife took off with someone else and I gave the kids to the orphanage. Sometimes I get lonely but then the pub opens and I am ok again.

Britething · #**358** 16.03.2016, 21:54

	Quote:	greenmount
	One of the readers comments was funnier than the article itself...Irish humor at its best.

I think that reader comment summed up just about everything.
Not much left to add ...

Uncle Max · #**359** 17.03.2016, 09:48

	Quote:	manwithnoname
	...anyway, men work more career hours. so what is your point?

Why do men have more career hours?

Uncle Max · #**360** 17.03.2016, 10:01

"Women will get equal pay in 118 years" - WEF Report

"...even where political and business policies are improving, many employers still organise the working day around the stereotypes of women as caregivers at home and men as breadwinners at work...

Klaus Schwab, founder and executive chairman of the WEF, which campaigns on gender parity, warned on Wednesday that equality would matter more and more as computers took over the economy.

“We need to create a world where women’s contributions and ideals are as valued as those of men,” Schwab said. “Gender parity in our thinking and actions will be critical in helping to ensure that the future is served by humanity and not threatened by it.” "

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