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Old 08.03.2017, 13:40
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Correct me if I am wrong but posing 'topless/suggestively' on the front page of a magazine is frowned upon by the feminist world. i.e the young girls who get a hard time for posing similarly in the likes of Loaded, GQ, FHM etc.
You're behind the times. FHM and Loaded are no longer in print.

To most women born and raised in Western Europe, feminism is something that happened in the 60's and 70's, but I've been made aware that isn't the case for some women.

Just for the record, I don't think any less of one of my favourite investigative reporters for his nude photo shoot. It's an image that has lived with me for a very long time now and still makes me smile.
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Louis Theroux is nothing short of genius. There is nothing that man cannot make interesting/find the humanity in.

Nice boa. He's still not on my icing list...
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I give up. I can't upload the picture for some reason. It's a topless Rooney Mara standing in front of Daniel Craig who has his arm around her neck/shoulders. It's black and white and not particularly in your face, but depending on work environment, probably NSFW.

Anyway, it was/is contentious. Who is protecting who? Why is she topless? Is the placing of the text accidental or deliberate? I think it's interesting.
Got it. This one?

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Yes! Thank you muchly. But the one with the release date obscuring her nipples.
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Old 08.03.2017, 13:54
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I give up. I can't upload the picture for some reason. It's a topless Rooney Mara standing in front of Daniel Craig who has his arm around her neck/shoulders.
Not keen on the English version of the film, but everyone who is familiar with the original and the books will known that they're two very strong individuals protecting each other. I found Noomi Rapace's performance to be a lot stronger and more vulnerable, basically more multi-faceted.
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Re: International Women's Day: (not) worth celebrating?

Feminism and Photo Shop.
Feminism and showing boobs.
Feminism and selfies.
Feminism but dressing to please men.
Feminism and Maggie Smith.

All of them are fascinating topics.

(besides, of course, equal rights, etc.)
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Rooney Mara pic is more about the character in the movie, who that character is. The rebel. This is my body, and I am who I am.

Emma Watson is portraying herself, not as a character, but herself, the young woman as she really is.. given she has talked about equality, women's rights, abuse of the female image, I don't like that photo of her. What mixed messages is she giving young girls, it's okay to pick and choose, be sort of topless, sort of suggestive? I see that photo as suggestive, vulnerable, sweet. I don't like it.

Rooney Mara is pictured as her movie character. I have no problem with Rooney Mara's boobs out, she is not being suggestive. She is in control and kick-ass strong as she is presenting the role of her character. Rooney Mara image does not portray vulnerabilty.
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Rooney Mara pic is more about the character in the movie, who that character is. The rebel. This is my body, and I am who I am.

Emma Watson is portraying herself, not as a character, but herself, the young woman as she really is.. given she has talked about equality, women's rights, abuse of the female image, I don't like that photo of her. What mixed messages is she giving young girls, it's okay to pick and choose, be sort of topless, sort of suggestive? I see that photo as suggestive, vulnerable, sweet. I don't like it.

Rooney Mara is pictured as her movie character. I have no problem with Rooney Mara's boobs out, she is not being suggestive. She is in control and kick-ass strong as she is presenting the role of her character. Rooney Mara image does not portray vulnerabilty.
I understand what you mean, and Im agree with all of the above - except I always assume any posed for (ie not candid peparrazzi stuff) picture by someone in the public eye is them presenting a persona. Even the supposedly deeply personal and candid stuff - which is really anything but.

I don't like the picture either - because I hate what she's wearing and her hair is odd. I think it's more bland than anything.
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Re: International Women's Day: (not) worth celebrating?

Apropros, from today's SwissInfo:

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/internat...creen/42996064

A film by Petra Volpe about the position of women and the struggle for voting rights in Switzerland has been released today, International Women's Day:

Die Göttliche Ordnung (The Divine Order). And it's a comedy.


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"swissinfo.ch: Why did you decide to make a comedy rather than a documentary like the British film ‘Suffragette’, for example?

P.V.: Women got the right to vote in Switzerland in 1971. That is so absurd that it had to be a comedy. As a woman, you need a lot of dark humor in life. "
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Old 08.03.2017, 14:35
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Apparently giving flowers 'in solidarity' is the norm in her country - which indeed is one of the ex-communist countries.
Yes! It is quite symbolic. Chances are, that the girl/lady giving you the flowers back home would be in a dress/skirt. Which is seen as feminine, flattering and strong. I miss that enough, in the modern world. There is different kind of equality, or complementing, back there.

Flowers are great. We used to give them to eachother March 8 with Mom. While getting them at work, too, and from Dad and brothers.

But my international little woman got hand-knit leg-warmers from me today. She is thrilled. Brought home knitting orders today from her school chick friends
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Old 08.03.2017, 15:27
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Re: International Women's Day: (not) worth celebrating?

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KLM sent me a nice email inviting me to "plan a trip with your mother, daughter, sister, partner or just friend".

I liked the "just friend" part. As long as she's female, I guess.

I wonder how I would have felt if I had none of the above.
While I understand that some firms may want to take up the event for their product campaigns, this PR activity offering beauty tips that Tagi mentioned was done by one of swiss big banks
Besides, my point was offering beauty tips is actually reinforcing gender stereotype. I'd say the invitation by KLM to plan a trip with woman is relatively neutral in this case, and actually even empowering in some cases (e.g. mothers are relatively less mobile than their spouses).
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I see someone who's empowered and is using that to the best advantage not only of herself, but also in the interests of stimulating discussion about what "women's rights" is all about.
So taking advantage of female privilege is a right now?
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So it's International Women's Day and the discussion is all about a posh white woman.

It reminds me of a film I once watched...

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Good, it counterbalances the 8th of March then, if you celebrate it (or whenever mother's day it is). To add insult to injury, back home is celebrated First of March too, again with flowers for all women.. Tough month for men. My father used to buy flowers for all his women colleagues, brother still does the same. You do go home with a bunch of flowers, it's nice.
Where do I have to move to finally get flowers again?

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It reminds me of a film I once watched...

Once? Gosh you're lucky
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My engagement to a Swiss woman was mercifully short.
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Re: International Women's Day: (not) worth celebrating?

This is getting bizarre.

Before this thread, I was never aware of International Women's Day. Also find it peculiar that there's a debate about an actress showing a bit of cleavage and if it diminishes the validity of her opinions on other matters as a human being. I can think of a good number of women who've done topless and full frontal nudity, and even one woman ( who is a personal hero of mine) who was a sex worker in her youth, whose work and opinions are well respected. It boggles my mind that Emma Watson's photo is seen as controversial.
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This is getting bizarre.
Well yes. Whatever International Women's day was meant to be, it's not.

Dougal's Breakfast has probably described it most succinctly; it's about posh white women - the whole thing has become part of an industry that services educated, middle class western women and helps them feel feel less guilty about being one of the most fortunate and privileged groups on the planet.
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This is getting bizarre.

Before this thread, I was never aware of International Women's Day. Also find it peculiar that there's a debate about an actress showing a bit of cleavage and if it diminishes the validity of her opinions on other matters as a human being. I can think of a good number of women who've done topless and full frontal nudity, and even one woman ( who is a personal hero of mine) who was a sex worker in her youth, whose work and opinions are well respected. It boggles my mind that Emma Watson's photo is seen as controversial.
Its not, its about double standards of someone who portrays one thing then does another.
She is basically using her feminism views and speeches to get her in the spotlight to promote her acting career, like the majority of public faces.

More faces than the town clock.
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- the whole thing has become part of an industry that services educated, middle class western women and helps them feel feel less guilty about being one of the most fortunate and privileged groups on the planet.
I'll say it again... I'd never heard of it before reading this thread, and I'm possibly part of the demographic that you're refering to though I see myself as working class. If you look at the responses from other women in this thread, it appears to be a much bigger deal in countries outside of the demographic you have described.
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Ppppffffffffffffffffffffffff, same cr*p as with Mothers/Fathers Day....

I am a woman everyday of my life and not just once a year....for me every day is women's, men's, childrens an d whateveronecancelebrate day.

In admiration of everyone who struggles and is not giving up.
Of everyone who keeps on fighting to better themselves or their surroundings in any which way they can or to help those who don't know how to fight anymore or never knew.

One day a year to celebrate ( WHAT exactly ??) isn't going to change anything at all!!

I'll raise my glass tonight to ALL those, of whatever gender and inclination, who never gave up and kept on picking away slowly but surely at injustices to get things to change!
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