Good on you both!

I agree that many women in the West choose to wear the hijab by choice.

I'm talking about the millions of women affected who don't get that choice.
The ones that are usually ignored.

A good mix I think- and I really don't care what they wear on their head, or on their boobs- or not, for that matter:

https://www.facebook.com/nobelprize/...3429404604103/

What's with the groan MidfieldGeneral?

I know it's inconvenient that millions of women are forced to cover their head whether they want to or not but we should not ignore their plight. Least of all not today of all days.

Anyway it's good to see some strong women are standing up to sexist and oppressive practices like this and providing a voice for women who often don't get one.

Fun memories, dad always bought my mom flowers, every saturday. My brother in law does the same for my sister. Hubby mostly thinks of it when my favourite flower, the tulip , is in season

Generally, if I buy flowers, it's because they are edible.

Tom

Exactly- you just don't get it, do you. It is exactly because some women do not have a choice, or opportunities, or that even those who do, still do not get equality in so many ways. So some women are forced to wear skimpy clothes to sell more - Geneva car (tits and more) show this week btw. Women forced to wear high heels and short skirts - and those forced to wear the Burka. I see little difference in reality. And Presidents who still think that their position of power allows them to grab pussies, or worse.

Hm. Agree on the burka.

But as far as the women at e.g. the Geneva car show being "forced" to wear what they wear - not sure this is the case. I dare say most choose to take that job, don't they? Speaking from my viewpoint, hell would rather freeze over than me hopping around in heels and a short skirt to sell cars - simply because personally (!) I would feel objectified. That being said, I DO wear heels all the time. Voluntarily. And skirts (ok not short anymore cause too old ). Also voluntarily. Sometimes (albeit rarely) even both at the same time if the occasion allows. Because I choose to, not because anyone tells me to.

Which is kind of my point: it's perfectly ok to take a job that requires you to stand there in skimpy clothes. Their choice, not mine. But I don't think the large majority is being forced to do that. It's the same like saying a model is forced to wear certain clothes - maybe they are, but they're models, that comes with the territory and could be expected, couldn't it? Also, define "forced". If my job requires me to wear suits all the time, no one would take issue with that. And it was my choice to take that job or at least be in that profession or industry.

This is just referring to that specific example. There's no argument that in other circumstances and other places, maybe even at times in Switzerland, women indeed can't choose to go for another option even if they take severe issue with what they're being asked to do or wear for a given job.

No argument on the last sentence of course.

They are not forced to wear, but paid to wear and do it by their own free choice, and they are paid well.

The days of tits at the car show are long gone, probably last time were when yours' were still perky is my guess

As for presidents who grab pussies, he was only a president of his company at the time, we have heard nothing more about this and knowing the controversy Trump brings along with the litigious nature of America, i somehow feel there was more smoke than fire here

Let me think....are you Dutch by any chance?

Btw, one of my favourite books as a kid was Alexandre Dumas' The Black Tulip .

I still look for black tulips sometimes....:-)) *

They are my mom's favourite flowers too.

*I'm not quite serious, I only got some bizarre, dark enough to be called black - purple tulips. Once.

As other's have pointed out it's a false equivalence. Even if the ladies who work at the car shows have to wear skimpy clothes, they make the choice to take that employment, they're not forced.

Anyway it's your opinion and naturally your entitled to it. I just see (what I perceive to be) a lot of hypocrisy when talking about women's rights and feminism. It should be for all women, not just those lucky enough to be living in countries where they have (comparatively) more rights.

Speaking of edible...my dad has been making a Torta Mimosa for my mom every March 8 for the past 38 years. Delicious!!! It looks like this:

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27 November 2013.
I used to have a colleague from Yorkshire who gave all the women in the Manchester office a white rose on Yorkshire Day. In turn, we gave him red roses on Lancashire Day, which he took home to his mum, and she sent him into work with wonderful cakes that she baked for us all. Her lemon drizzle was sublime.
Same here. I prefer to see them grow, not die.

I fully agree with this, but this is why I think this day - and feminism in general - is still important and still relevant. Some seem to misunderstand that it's not about individual apsects, but about the global view. And there's plenty of highly disrespectful comments on the subject (ironically, I might add). I got groaned at plenty of times last year when I pointed this out though To me, it's not about women walking around naked or wearing make-up. Who gives a shit, seriously. It's about so much more than that.

My dad always told me "You're as good as any man and better than most."

Do people think that Greek sculptures diminish women?

Anyway, Emma Watson's picture is as "scandalous" as some pictures of Dali's wife Gala.........scandalous only for some. ;-)

I was wondering what my wife's cousin's post was about:



Tom

i don't believe any woman should be forced to cover her head. Before I knew muslims, I knew Orthodox Jewish women in wigs or kerchiefs, long sleeved, shapeless clothing. And Amish women with long dresses and little bonnets on their heads. We can look at the differences, but the fact remains that several cultures dictate dress for both men and women. where do you draw the line between opression and cultural/religious expression?

Dutch husband. I'm an American.

Simple: there is no line, it's ALWAYS opression.

Tom