Well, there was no money involved at all. But ... agreed (Some people did buy stuff- most didn't)- my reply was tongue and cheek, as you well know. The women bootleggers of my childhood were however incredibly strong women- and who distilled to keep their kids warm and fed- often ins spite of their useless men

From a marketing mail I received from Interfora last week;



http://www.interflora.co.uk/newslhig...nal-womens-day

That was the one I got that I couldn't find earlier.

Italy.

http://www.floraqueen.it/festa-della-donna

Tom

Rumor has it they are working on an autumn campaign to recognise the males in this world with prickly cactii

Anyone who wants to send floral/foliage gifts to either gender on any day of the year would do well to find a good florist in the recipients area and place the order directly. Generally far better value for money and much better chances of them sending something nice. If sending flowers to someone in the UK, ordering floral gifts online from Waitrose is quite easy. (Once upon a time I worked in the retail floral business, wire services too often work on the Chinese menu "order by number" concept).

Ah, I guess it must have been those pesky words 'on sale' that confused me then.

As it happens I wasn't accusing you personally of commercializing the day. Les absintheuses clearly were but they're hardly alone in it, our local florist up here was trying to get in on the action too. Can't say I blame any of them, sales are sales and probably badly needed this time of year. But you can understand how it might put people off the holiday if the only fuss they see being made about it is by those with an axe to grind.

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If only. A cactus was the only plant I've ever managed not to kill within a week of being left in charge of it.

LOL- post 93 of a thread- so hardly posted this to introduce the event I posted tongue and cheek as I had just found out about this totally free event (but yes, things were avaialble to purchase, as always and not for this occasion- at the Museum- where I am a totally unpaid volunteer (but no, it was NOT my idea).

Maybe you could pass along some tips to my OH? His succulent collection has been moving with us for 25 yrs now, the meanest of which has needles shaped like fish hooks, easy-in but excrutiatingly painful to remove. It helps when arranging seating if one has guests one is hoping don't stay for after-dinner drinks.

So, after nearly 150 posts, I think it's now time to amend the thread title (as suggested by the OP himself) ..... remove parenthesis and apply upper case and bold print to the word previously contained therein.

...and for all the women to make a note in diary for 19/11/2015

Oh than... wait... World TOILET day??

(coincidence, yeeeah right )

This day is worth celebrating, to please his woman once again. It is not difficult to gift a flowers and improve her mood, even if you do not think that's day is special for women.

So - I was pleased to have all my students well informed about IWD. And proud to be.

Greenmont - it was pretty same for me before, nice to read your little nostalgic notion. For that matter, we have exchanged warm and funny messages with mom and girl friends. She greeted her hard working and a bit unrecognized multinational girls, hahah, thanks mom, I am lucky to have her as an achiever role model, and no, by any means privileged, she denies herself any entitlement as we all do. The stairs to success were and are often not pointed up but down. And very concretely.

I also agree with mentioning those who aren't visible, recognized, those who are modest...hard working. And with attention to those outside of the Western region. Not sure if I'd dare to assume Western girls have it particularly easier, tbh. In some ways, only.

Why women and not all people? Because I always give thumbs up to all people. A day of recognition for women's historical and socioeconomic journey to independence - feels right, but I may also be conditioned by my own journey which never has been particularly easy.

Do I feel real and modern, as it was mentioned in the other thread..It's a matter of choice. I do like to cook, barefoot as always, heh, being in the kitchen and sweating over stove is actually one of my fav creative moments. I like some traditions and I have a choice. I think that might be a result of having a strong role model, societal climate change and choosing people around me with no entitlement to me liking traditions or creativity, irrespectively of gender. But that might also be a result of certain historical push for women's independence, way before me. Why deny it..

14 of March.. a very Western idea, not if gender stereotyping excluded. Gender shouldn't play a role, oder?

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I don't agree with that, if only for the fact that many Western girls (not visible, unrecognised, modest and hard working) are helping other, less fortunate women around the globe. Not everyone belongs to Michelle Obama et co. league. So why this separation? Don't see the necessity.

It is exactly what I meant, maybe put it in a bit clumsily, not that we should exclude Western chicks. Hence the appendix of "I don't think we should assume all Western girls have it easier". Maybe their food, security and availability of edu may be easier to obtain, but not for all. Their career doesn't have to necessarily be, either. I don't think we need to divide the worlds in order to pay respect, especially if we are wired to respect all that merits it.

I got mom a man aftershave when I couldn't read, it smelled good to me. This gender thing gets too complicated by society, but only if we let it happen. I don't really think it is, though.

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“The only difference between a rut and a grave is a matter of depth.” S.P. Cadman

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." A. Einstein

So we don't need to divide it by culture, but we do by gender? If not, there is no need for a women's day but a "anyone who has a hard life"-day according to your logic, no?

You know, as international as it was meant to be, this day became a real celebration only in some countries so in general people couldn't care less if other countries think it's a stupid celebration or not.
Back home when we give flowers to our moms it's because they're women, they cared for us and not for other reasons. In all fairness, most people don't even remember how it was like not to be "equal" (able to vote, study in any school, non-separated schools for girls and boys etc., equal civil rights etc.) even though a simple reality check would show that men have better salaries in average. It's an illusory equality, but hey, nothing it's perfect. Neither this day, its reasons and ways of celebrating.

Just come back from CinéClub and watching the great Swiss Film about Iris von Roten Meyer- hailed as the Simone Beauvoir of Switzerland and her husband Peter. 'Verliebte Feinde' is about their fight for the vote for women and other rights in the 50s (in ultra Conservative Upper Wallis/Valais!).

And it reminded me of this thread, and how men, and women- turn things they don't approve of into ridicule rather than use proper discussion and argument- still today. And how women can still be the worst enemies of women who have different aspirations and dreams. Same old, same old (sad).