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ek123 06.06.2015 15:12

A question regarding parking ticket(s)
 
Hi,

I parked in a 2 hours limited parking in Zurich. Paid 5 CHF for 2 hours as required.
After 1:57 hours I came back to the car, paid another 5 CHF, placed the new receipt in the car and walked away.
When I came back I found a parking ticket. I do not understand why (I paid twice so no problem with payment), and I guess that I am not allowed to park for two consecutive times of 2 hours in the same spot.

My question: Is that true? What is the law says about it? What is the minimum time of separation between 2 consecutive parkings in the same spot? Is it Okay to park there in next day? After one hour? One minute? One second? Is that defined in the law?

And a secondary question: What is the "normal" fine for not paying for parking in Zurich? Is it 40 CHF, 80 CHF or another number all together.

Thanks for your replies
EK

nigelr 06.06.2015 15:19

Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)
 
Don't what the fine is, but if the maximum time limit is 2 hours you cannot just stay there a buy a new ticket. Be careful with on the street parking as well in the white bays where it is free. The maximum is 48 hours or you get a ticket (happened to me!)

AbFab 06.06.2015 15:20

Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)
 
Feeding meters and/or ticket machines will get you a fine in most every country in the world.

CHF40.-...

Samaire13 07.06.2015 10:08

Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)
 
There's a note on every parking meter saying "Nachzahlen verboten". Not sure what's unclear about that - you can park and pay there once, but not two or more consecutive times. If you need to stay somewhere longer, you need to park in a parking garage. If it were that easy to just continue paying in the white or blue zone for hours on end, why would anyone be stupid enough to park in a garage and pay 5-8.-/hour?

There is - afaik - no generally defined "pause" before you can park again, but my guess is it's at least as long as the maximum duration of parking in a given spot, i.e. normally 2 hours, probably more. Personally, I have yet to get a fine for parking in the same spot the following day or even a few hours later, but I might just have been lucky until now.

The fine is valid. 40 CHF is what you normally have to pay, though it may also be 80 CHF as you can get fined for both overstepping the maximum parking time and the 'illegal' second payment.

TiMow 07.06.2015 10:20

Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)
 
It's simple - if the limit is stated as 2 hrs. max and the car is there longer (with or without payment), then you get a ticket/fine.

What is there NOT to understand?

Short term parking is not meant or priced for long term parkers.

Urs Max 07.06.2015 18:16

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The vehicle must have been part of ordinary traffic for you to start the next "parking time period". Drive around the block and if it's still free you can use the same slot a 2nd time.

Belgianmum 07.06.2015 18:40

Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Urs Max (Post 2401307)
The vehicle must have been part of ordinary traffic for you to start the next "parking time period". Drive around the block and if it's still free you can use the same slot a 2nd time.

Or a different slot in the same area.

TiMow 07.06.2015 18:48

Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Urs Max (Post 2401307)
The vehicle must have been part of ordinary traffic for you to start the next "parking time period". Drive around the block and if it's still free you can use the same slot a 2nd time.

Problem with that is, that the 'bod' who goes round checking number plates against spaces and times, probably wont know that the car has been moved and reparked in the same spot, if he didn't see it vacate the space, himself.

ek123 07.06.2015 23:46

Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)
 
First, thank you to all answering my questions.

I think I will pay the fine and "close this issue" since it drives me crazy of frustration, to be honest.

Well, to be truly honest, some of the replies also make me frustrated, and I will explain (hope I am not too boring):

1. AbFab - I lived in 5 different countries (so far) in my life. Never had a single parking ticket in any of them. Quite sure I did pay twice in some parking meters in other countries. But in simple words, I was not aware this is not allowed.
2. Samaire13 - I for one does not understand what "Nachzalen Verbolen" means. I am in the English forum since I do NOT speak German (nor French or Italian). Stupid me... but I do not understand. And to your point about why not just park there all day - I do NOT want to have to go to the car (parking place) every 2 hours. But, if I planned on a almost 2 hours visit and it turned into a 2.5 hours... then I had to stop what I was doing, go back to the car, pay again, return to the place I was....
3. If the minimum time between two adjacent parking sessions is not defined in the law, then it can be zero. That's my stupid opinion.
4. TiMow - There are many things not to understand. Why do you assume I planned a long parking and tried to fool the system, when in fact I was just reacting to a small delay in plan.
And in addition, I was definitely not parking there in order to save money. I am not from Zurich but only a visitor, and could not find a long term parking place (I always prefer them, that's why this is my first parking ticket here)
5. Urs Max - This is exactly my point. If it is not defined (is there a minimum block size?), then how can they fine me for something not defined?

But I must confess that what is bothering me is not the fine itself. It's the fact that I got a ticket as if I broke the law. I am VERY MUCH a law abiding person. So I paid for additional 2 hours just in case although I knew it will be much shorter second park (indeed was ~40 minutes).
And then I wrote a letter to the Zurich police. Instead of having an English speaking person call me to explain, they wrote me a letter in German (so I do not really understand exactly what's in it) and assume that I was trying to break the law and must be fined.

Well... this is the source of my frustration. And if I would be a bit less lazy, I would fight it in court. But since it makes me feel bad, I will pay, and will try my best to avoid visiting Zurich in the future unless I really must, and will wait impatiently to the end off our temporary assignment in Switzerland so I can move to a place where I am not made to feel like a criminal.

Again - I apologize for the length and details... needed to clear the frustration by writing :-) and thanks for your comments.

3Wishes 08.06.2015 00:21

Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ek123 (Post 2401449)
.. I for one does not understand what "Nachzalen Verbolen" means. I am in the English forum since I do NOT speak German (nor French or Italian). Stupid me... but I do not understand. ...

Unfortunately for you (and many others), not understanding the language on the parking meter is no excuse for not following the rules. There's a phrase in the German-speaking part of Switzerland - "selber schuld." It kind of means you're responsible for knowing the rules and following them. Someone else might be able to explain better.

Nachzahlen verboten basically means you can't pay for extra time. This implies you need to move the car elsewhere. Somewhere I read or was told that you have to move at least one street over. Sorry, I don't have a source but maybe someone else knows. Anyway, this type of information is generally on the machine.

In the future, you may find it easier to buy a day parking permit if you think you'll be longer than 2 hours. In Bern I think it's about 8 Francs, and it lets you park all day in one of the blue zones. You leave the slip on your dash board. You can buy it at the train station. I think Zürich offers day permits too.

Forget fighting in court. You'd owe the parking fine, and the court fees on top. It's an expensive and frustrating lesson, to be sure.

While we're on parking, there are different kinds of meters. Some of them you pay and get a receipt you put on your dash. Others you put in your parking space number and the coins, but you don't get a receipt. So pay attention to the display to see how much time you get for the coins you put in the machine. ;)

AbFab 08.06.2015 00:22

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You're not in Kansas anymore! If you have been feeding meters round the world and got away with it - good luck, but it is illegal worldwide.

In the UK they write: "Parking 1 hour, no return within 1 Hour". This is actually fairly unclear to native speakers, so how do you think someone who did not speak English would understand it?

So if a German-speaker feed a meter in the UK and wrote the local police protesting the fine, do you think they would get and answer in German??

And as to:

"But I must confess that what is bothering me is not the fine itself. It's the fact that I got a ticket as if I broke the law"

You did break the law... :msncrazy:

Tasebo 08.06.2015 00:25

Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ek123 (Post 2401449)



But I must confess that what is bothering me is not the fine itself. It's the fact that I got a ticket as if I broke the law. I am VERY MUCH a law abiding person. So I paid for additional 2 hours just in case although I knew it will be much shorter second park (indeed was ~40 minutes).
And then I wrote a letter to the Zurich police. Instead of having an English speaking person call me to explain, they wrote me a letter in German (so I do not really understand exactly what's in it) and assume that I was trying to break the law and must be fined.

Well... this is the source of my frustration. And if I would be a bit less lazy, I would fight it in court. But since it makes me feel bad, I will pay, and will try my best to avoid visiting Zurich in the future unless I really must, and will wait impatiently to the end off our temporary assignment in Switzerland so I can move to a place where I am not made to feel like a criminal.

Again - I apologize for the length and details... needed to clear the frustration by writing :-) and thanks for your comments.

It is fairly common knowledge that even if not holding a driver's license from the country in wgich you are driving, as the operator of a motor vehicle in that country you are responsible for being aware of the local/national highway code - and that includes parking signs and what they mean.

Ignorance is never an acceptable alibi if caught in violation. I realise you were not happy to get a ticket, nor EF responses that didn't take pity, but you shoukd actually be a bit thankful the pokice even bothered to reply to a letter written in English without requesting you send another in an official language.

k_and_e 08.06.2015 00:28

Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ek123 (Post 2400830)
I parked in a 2 hours limited parking in Zurich. Paid 5 CHF for 2 hours as required.
After 1:57 hours I came back to the car, paid another 5 CHF, placed the new receipt in the car and walked away.
When I came back I found a parking ticket. I do not understand why (I paid twice so no problem with payment), and I guess that I am not allowed to park for two consecutive times of 2 hours in the same

You answered your own question: you parked in a two hours limited parking.

Busby 08.06.2015 07:53

Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Belgianmum (Post 2401321)
Or a different slot in the same area.



There are restrictions as to where you can park after 'driving round the block'. I'm not quite sure what they are and can't find the regulations. But one thing I'm sure of - you are not allowed to return to the same spot within a certain time.

TiMow 08.06.2015 09:17

Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)
 
OK ... to clarify details for the parking offender, who didn't understand my above post (and, apparently, most of the others) and is still feigning innocence.

Despite having no knowledge of local languages, you clearly understood the 2 Hours Max. part.

Now, here comes the clarification: 2 hours is the MAXIMUM time allowed to park in that spot - you can normally pay for less, and up to and including the maximum time. That doesn't mean that after that time you can come back and pay for another maximum.

Your car has overstayed and is now subject to penalties. Additional penalties may also apply, if it is clear you have tried to buy more time (giving the impression of trying to buck the system) .... which is 'verboten' (important word to learn - you'll see it a lot: it means forbidden).

Please don't feel all self-righteous because you paid money and got a ticket - even if ignorant of the fact, you broke the parking regulations and got caught.
Just because you've done it in other places and lands, doesn't mean that you're in the right .... it just means you've been lucky and got away with it, until now.

Your back payments have now caught up with you - and Switzerland benefits.

On my little island of origin, on payment meters, it was normally written 'x' hrs. max. parking, return prohibited within 'y' mins/hrs. The same might have been written on the meter you fed, but we're back to that old chestnut of "no comprendo de lingo"

Tacitus 08.06.2015 09:42

Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Busby (Post 2401512)
There are restrictions as to where you can park after 'driving round the block'. I'm not quite sure what they are and can't find the regulations. But one thing I'm sure of - you are not allowed to return to the same spot within a certain time.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michae..._b_111120.html


Don't know about Switzerland, but here's one link that talks about restrictions on parking in same block at least for L.A. I have to say that in my experience, at paid metered parking in U.S. parking maximum limits are almost never enforced. I think the city mostly wants the money. Doesn't mean it can't be enforced- it just isn't the practice. I often see them chalking tires on 1 - 2 hour spaces that aren't metered but not on metered spaces. Often if regulations aren't regularly enforced, many people aren't aware they exist, and then are surprised.

Certainly different countries and municipalities have the right to make and enforce laws to regulate parking to address the issues that they face, and, of course ignorance of the law is not an excuse that works very well usually. :o

grumpygrapefruit 08.06.2015 09:54

Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TiMow (Post 2401326)
Problem with that is, that the 'bod' who goes round checking number plates against spaces and times, probably wont know that the car has been moved and reparked in the same spot, if he didn't see it vacate the space, himself.

I was caught out in London once and got a ticket feeding the meter. The warden was there giving it to me when I got back, I claimed that I had left and returned. He showed me his note book where he noted the position of the air valve on my front left tyre - of course it is highly unlikely that I could park with it in the same position again. His note book was full of little diagrams drawn against license plate numbers.

I don't know if they do that here though.

dodgyken 08.06.2015 10:06

Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grumpygrapefruit (Post 2401553)
I don't know if they do that here though.

I think they use a recent invention (camera) to do it now.

I am surprised that going forward the STVA will not insist on having an email address for a car - and that parking/speeding tickets will automatically be emailed to the recipient - if an email bounces back the fine is doubled for not having up to date information and then it sent by post. :eek:

Sublime 08.06.2015 10:09

Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)
 
I call this poor stubborness. And stubborness in modern times should be punished as hard as it can (the source of many arguings and fights or even worse). Actually, it is even worse: besides stubborness it includes also arrogance: "I am right and I do not have to comply with local habits - and why for heaven's sake should I take care of them, left to understand the local language!".

Honestly, the fine you got is far too mild for your backwardly narrow-minded attitude. Please, go ahead, take it to the court. I will be glad to attend it live then! :D


Quote:

Originally Posted by ek123 (Post 2401449)
First, thank you to all answering my questions.

I think I will pay the fine and "close this issue" since it drives me crazy of frustration, to be honest.

Well, to be truly honest, some of the replies also make me frustrated, and I will explain (hope I am not too boring):

1. AbFab - I lived in 5 different countries (so far) in my life. Never had a single parking ticket in any of them. Quite sure I did pay twice in some parking meters in other countries. But in simple words, I was not aware this is not allowed.
2. Samaire13 - I for one does not understand what "Nachzalen Verbolen" means. I am in the English forum since I do NOT speak German (nor French or Italian). Stupid me... but I do not understand. And to your point about why not just park there all day - I do NOT want to have to go to the car (parking place) every 2 hours. But, if I planned on a almost 2 hours visit and it turned into a 2.5 hours... then I had to stop what I was doing, go back to the car, pay again, return to the place I was....
3. If the minimum time between two adjacent parking sessions is not defined in the law, then it can be zero. That's my stupid opinion.
4. TiMow - There are many things not to understand. Why do you assume I planned a long parking and tried to fool the system, when in fact I was just reacting to a small delay in plan.
And in addition, I was definitely not parking there in order to save money. I am not from Zurich but only a visitor, and could not find a long term parking place (I always prefer them, that's why this is my first parking ticket here)
5. Urs Max - This is exactly my point. If it is not defined (is there a minimum block size?), then how can they fine me for something not defined?

But I must confess that what is bothering me is not the fine itself. It's the fact that I got a ticket as if I broke the law. I am VERY MUCH a law abiding person. So I paid for additional 2 hours just in case although I knew it will be much shorter second park (indeed was ~40 minutes).
And then I wrote a letter to the Zurich police. Instead of having an English speaking person call me to explain, they wrote me a letter in German (so I do not really understand exactly what's in it) and assume that I was trying to break the law and must be fined.

Well... this is the source of my frustration. And if I would be a bit less lazy, I would fight it in court. But since it makes me feel bad, I will pay, and will try my best to avoid visiting Zurich in the future unless I really must, and will wait impatiently to the end off our temporary assignment in Switzerland so I can move to a place where I am not made to feel like a criminal.

Again - I apologize for the length and details... needed to clear the frustration by writing :-) and thanks for your comments.


Jack of all trades. 08.06.2015 10:19

Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)
 
I know that in Basel moving the car wont help you avoid a fine either. The parking police note down the number plate and check for moved cars. Or you move it move it far enough away to be safe, whatever that is:confused:.

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