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PanFastic 06.06.2016 22:56

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I received my B permit in 5 days - This Is Switzerland

i-b-deborah 06.06.2016 23:37

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Always someone around to kill a vibe, oh look TIS!
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Originally Posted by rob1 (Post 2600833)
Now we all know that isn't true.. how many kms did they already remove.


JakubB 07.06.2016 11:49

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Originally Posted by PanFastic (Post 2600837)
I received my B permit in 5 days - This Is Switzerland

I haven't received my B permit with corrected address after moving apartment until I moved out year later. I have been sent to various offices but nobody knew anything concrete. And they didn't reimburse me the cost of new permit although they didn't do their job properly and I never got it. TIS :>

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Originally Posted by rob1 (Post 2600833)
Now we all know that isn't true.. how many kms did they already remove.

No matter how much they corrected, I was left with a ticket for 1km/h over the speed limit :>

dodgyken 07.06.2016 12:01

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Originally Posted by JakubB (Post 2601009)
No matter how much they corrected, I was left with a ticket for 1km/h over the speed limit :>

No - the ticket is for doing (example) 57kmh in a 50kmh zone. Just because they give you an allowance doesn't take away from the fact you were 7kmh faster than the limit.

JakubB 07.06.2016 12:02

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Originally Posted by dodgyken (Post 2601016)
No - the ticket is for doing (example) 57kmh in a 50kmh zone. Just because they give you an allowance doesn't take away from the fact you were 7kmh faster than the limit.

No, it's no allowance. Read the ticket carefully. It is to compensate for the measurement uncertainties. And it was on the motorway.

dodgyken 07.06.2016 12:07

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Originally Posted by JakubB (Post 2601017)
No, it's no allowance. Read the ticket carefully. It is to compensate for the measurement uncertainties. And it was on the motorway.

Those measurement uncertainties aren't as great as the allowance.

And what speed was showing on your speedometer?? :p

Guest 07.06.2016 12:18

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Originally Posted by JakubB (Post 2601017)
No, it's no allowance. Read the ticket carefully. It is to compensate for the measurement uncertainties. And it was on the motorway.

There are no real measurement uncertainties, the radar detectors are actually close to 100% accurate. The allowance, and that's exactly what it is, harks back to when both speedometer and external equipment readings were much less reliable, and remains for a variety of reasons, mainly just to ensure that it can't realistically be challenged.

So you get a ticket for 1kph over the allowed speed, not the legally defined limit, which you would have been exceeding by a genuine 6kph or so, and which incidentally would have been reading even higher on your speedo.

VFR on top 07.06.2016 12:25

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So I steamed my way (in my spare pair) to the local optician, expecting it to either be shut or contain no one able or willing to help.

Happily, I was proved wrong. After mangling my way through an explanation that must have been a lot clearer than I feared, I got my specs fixed and despite being quoted a very reasonable charge, found that she then waived it. Free repairs. In CH.


Where in Basel? I need a new set of specs. Sounds like a good place.

JakubB 07.06.2016 13:51

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There are no real measurement uncertainties, the radar detectors are actually close to 100% accurate. The allowance, and that's exactly what it is, harks back to when both speedometer and external equipment readings were much less reliable, and remains for a variety of reasons, mainly just to ensure that it can't realistically be challenged.

So you get a ticket for 1kph over the allowed speed, not the legally defined limit, which you would have been exceeding by a genuine 6kph or so, and which incidentally would have been reading even higher on your speedo.
Of course there are measurement uncertainties in both radar and lidar measurements! Chief of them are atmospheric conditions and the most interference is given by a liquid water (droplets) in the lidar/radar beam path. The movement of those droplets can cause up to 5% of error (in the most unfavorable circumstances) both in plus and in minus. Additional noise can come from windscreen coatings (fractions of %), metallic paints (microwave spectrum scattering) and even from the angle of the vehicle (very small error but still it ads). The allowance is not only for drivers momentarily not paying attention to the speedometer, but also comprise possible adverse effect on the measurements (it is stated very clearly on the French tickets). I have spent many years in the remote sensing and I know very well how it works (we have measured train speeds for environmental protection agency to model the noise-due-to-speed in urban areas using microwaves). We also used lidars for wind speed measurement - many many sources of errors, believe me.

dodgyken 07.06.2016 13:56

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Originally Posted by JakubB (Post 2601081)
Of course there are measurement uncertainties in both radar and lidar measurements! Chief of them are atmospheric conditions and the most interference is given by a liquid water (droplets) in the lidar/radar beam path. The movement of those droplets can cause up to 5% of error (in the most unfavorable circumstances) both in plus and in minus. Additional noise can come from windscreen coatings (fractions of %), metallic paints (microwave spectrum scattering) and even from the angle of the vehicle (very small error but still it ads). The allowance is not only for drivers momentarily not paying attention to the speedometer, but also comprise possible adverse effect on the measurements (it is stated very clearly on the French tickets). I have spent many years in the remote sensing and I know very well how it works (we have measured train speeds for environmental protection agency to model the noise-due-to-speed in urban areas using microwaves). We also used lidars for wind speed measurement - many many sources of errors, believe me.

The difference between knowledge and wisdom :p:eek::D

Aleydis 07.06.2016 13:59

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I might've shared this already a while ago...

From 20min "Ausland" section, i.e. foreign news, 2013 :D

Turtle dumps his love of 30 years for a mate of his own kind

http://www.20min.ch/panorama/news/st...n-Sex-29106880

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curley 07.06.2016 14:08

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Originally Posted by dodgyken (Post 2601021)
And what speed was showing on your speedometer?? :p

even more:D

Guest 07.06.2016 15:43

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Originally Posted by dodgyken (Post 2601016)
No - the ticket is for doing (example) 57kmh in a 50kmh zone. Just because they give you an allowance doesn't take away from the fact you were 7kmh faster than the limit.

Yep, happened to OH 3 times - 40 CHF here. At the end of the day, there has to be a cut off point, and you were beyond- end of.

fook 07.06.2016 16:46

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-Tram tracks near the office are being repaired for 3rd time in last 2 months. The repair seems very thorough: all the soil from under the tracks is removed, 0.5 meter deep. Still it is very likely that one will get to see the 4th repair.
-Three large buildings within 300 m radius are being refurbished at the same time. On one of them they use a helicopter to mount the roof beams.

This is Switzerland

JakubB 07.06.2016 22:24

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Originally Posted by curley (Post 2601092)
even more:D

Was on cruise control but it was downhill.

dodgyken 08.06.2016 09:10

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Originally Posted by dodgyken (Post 2601086)
The difference between knowledge and wisdom :p:eek::D

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Originally Posted by curley (Post 2601092)
even more:D

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Originally Posted by JakubB (Post 2601476)
Was on cruise control but it was downhill.

I refer you back to my earlier post. Also you may find this link helpful :D

JakubB 08.06.2016 12:57

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Dodgyken and St2lemans - TIS :cool:

porsch1909 08.06.2016 15:16

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Originally Posted by JakubB (Post 2601476)
Was on cruise control but it was downhill.

Obviously not the first world problem thread if people in here don't have adaptive cruise http://i.imgur.com/LD4PoJX.gif

Urs Max 08.06.2016 17:39

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Originally Posted by JakubB (Post 2601081)
Of course there are measurement uncertainties in both radar and lidar measurements! [...] many many sources of errors, believe me.

Certainly, there's some uncertainty in the measurement. But what can work against you can just as well work for you. So there's the not-too-unlikely possibility that you first are measured multiple percentage points slower than you actually are, and then get the uncertainty margin deducted, to boot.

Plus, of course, the typical speedo will show 10km/h or more too much when doing around 120km/h. How much had you cruise set for, 140km/h?

So you effectively complain about yourself guessing wrong by 1km/h :rolleyes:

JakubB 08.06.2016 17:44

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Originally Posted by porsch1909 (Post 2601872)
Obviously not the first world problem thread if people in here don't have adaptive cruise http://i.imgur.com/LD4PoJX.gif

The adaptive cruise control does not work well on downhill. The speed has to be much more over limit for it to apply the brakes, at least in 2009 Toyota system...It is designed to follow traffic, not the road conditions.


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