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Re: TIS - This Is Switzerland

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Lawful theft - TIS
Or simply sticking to the routine. It's not Swiss (or any country's) custom's job to sort out seller's faults.


<<I get one order from the UK in two packages, because the seller f-ed up.

The seller double f-ed up when they put full value of order on one package, and then the value of contents on the second package>>

I'm surprised they even offered.
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Old 22.03.2019, 11:52
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Re: TIS - This Is Switzerland

Seller f-ed up, they get to keep their processing fee; that's fair and understandable.

Paying more tax than is due, means a refund happens, and charging a fee to issue said refund is ridiculous.

I have to pay to get a (justified) refund?

They don't have to sort out any mess, I DID IT FOR THEM, by taking the time, collecting the documents, and explaining the situation. They agreed on the spot that I'm right, spending exactly 5 seconds of their "precious" time to do so.

Switzerland is mostly a collection of vaguely justified sanctimonious a-hole behaviours, hidden behind the "selber-schuld" BS, that just makes everything not annoying or costly enough for anyone to do anything about it.

Most people get paid enough money to not bother with the 30CHF refund fee, and to "write it off to experience" (phrase used in every 3rd post in this thread), and hence this kind of stupidity keeps on living.
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Old 22.03.2019, 13:08
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Re: TIS - This Is Switzerland

You got caught in a hole that is not really covered, tough, but face it, you can't have a law for every exception or peculiarity, it would be never ending.
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Re: TIS - This Is Switzerland

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Which is exactly why solely depending on laws and never applying any kind of common sense can become counter productive, and damn right frustrating.
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Re: TIS - This Is Switzerland

Hip Hop is the best!


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Old 24.03.2019, 17:07
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Re: TIS - This Is Switzerland

LOL. And which cheeses are begging "please eat me and put me out of my misery" ?
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LOL. And which cheeses are begging "please eat me and put me out of my misery" ?

The cheese forced to endure 'Stairway To Heaven' 24 hours a day, obviously.

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Re: TIS - This Is Switzerland

out "shopping" with my OH, walk into a glasses shop for distraction, browsing away optician comes up to ask if I am looking for something... so far so normal.. having brushed her off with my best "just looking thanks" she spots my sunnies on my shirt and asks if she can clean them?! ok why not I say, I then hear some furious spraying and rubbing, and I leave the shop with most clean specs.. TIS


(...I have been into a fair few glasses shop in my life, never ever has this happened before)
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Re: TIS - This Is Switzerland

In a special offer just for Switzerland, the Coca-Cola Company has decided to resize its 500mL soft drink bottles, reducing them by 10% to 450 mL -- and guess what, the price will stay the same. TIS.

But, and this is also kinda TIS in its own way, Selecta -- the company behind most of those ubiquitous vending machines -- has reacted by banning most Coca-Cola products (story in French) and replacing them with similar products from other brands. Good on ya, Selecta!

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The vending machine operator Selecta has decided to remove certain Coca-Cola products from its range. The drinks of the American giant will be replaced by alternative products from other brands, said the Bernese company on Tuesday, confirming information published on Tuesday on the Watson website.

Selecta explained this measure as a reaction to Coca-Cola's decision to reduce the content of bottles of certain drinks on the Swiss market, without adjusting the price accordingly. From April, drinks from the group previously offered in 500 mL packaging will be offered in 450 mL bottles, but for the same price. Selecta will reduce its offer of Coca-Cola and Coca-Cola Zero, and all other products newly packaged in 450 mL bottles will be reduced or even removed from the range. Beverages such as Fanta, Sprite, Bitter Lemon and Mezzo Mix will be substituted by other brands, such as Sinalco or 7-Up.

The American colossus says it takes note of Selecta's decision. "Each distributor is free to compose its own assortment," a spokeswoman told AWP Financial Information Agency.

The multinational has been present in Switzerland since 1936. It has two production sites and employs nearly 800 people, with correspondingly high local costs.
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In a special offer just for Switzerland, the Coca-Cola Company has decided to resize its 500mL soft drink bottles, reducing them by 10% to 450 mL -- and guess what, the price will stay the same. TIS.

But, and this is also kinda TIS in its own way, Selecta -- the company behind most of those ubiquitous vending machines -- has reacted by banning most Coca-Cola products (story in French) and replacing them with similar products from other brands. Good on ya, Selecta!

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The real story is that the producer/bottler determines the retail price, not the retailer.
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Old 02.04.2019, 13:40
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The real story is that the producer/bottler determines the retail price, not the retailer.
Of course.

That's why a bottle of coke is 1.50 CHF at a petrol station, 4 CHF in a cafe, 5 CHF in a ski resort and CHF 1.30 at Coop.

All the same price as determined by the producer...
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Old 02.04.2019, 13:56
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The real story is that the producer/bottler determines the retail price, not the retailer.
Yeah, I was going to refute that, then I read Tom's post.

Retail price fixing hasn't been legal for, oh, ever, pretty much.
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Old 02.04.2019, 14:02
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Retail price fixing hasn't been legal for, oh, ever, pretty much.
It is in some countries in Europe though. For example, an espresso at the bar in Italy has to be one euro, wherever you buy it.

Selecta could, of course, have also just raised the price (they have a bit of a monopoly in their market), or they could have lowered their profits.

Suppliers change their prices all the time - many, in devious ways.
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It is in some countries in Europe though. For example, an espresso at the bar in Italy has to be one euro, wherever you buy it.
But not so at the same bar if you sit at a table.

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But not so at the same bar if you sit at a table.

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That's why I specifically wrote "bar".

At the table, it's whatever the market will bear.
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In a special offer just for Switzerland, the Coca-Cola Company has decided to resize its 500mL soft drink bottles, reducing them by 10% to 450 mL -- and guess what, the price will stay the same. TIS.

But, and this is also kinda TIS in its own way, Selecta -- the company behind most of those ubiquitous vending machines -- has reacted by banning most Coca-Cola products (story in French) and replacing them with similar products from other brands. Good on ya, Selecta!

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That's not TIS. That's Coca Cola making the most of Switzerland. (They're not the only ones).
And thanks for pointing it out to me - not that I drink that stuff often but I'll reduce it to zero (the amount, not the type ) while in Switzerland.

Good on Selecta! Chapeau.
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That's not TIS. That's Coca Cola making the most of Switzerland. (They're not the only ones).
Exactly: TIS, this is Switzerland, the country where corporations try to rip you off because, well, this is Switzerland.
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Exactly: TIS, this is Switzerland, the country where corporations try to rip you off because, well, this is Switzerland.
In which countries with a capitalistic structure is that any different?
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In which countries with a capitalistic structure is that any different?
A capitalist economy really needs competition, and lots of it, to benefit the consumer.

It's different here because, of the lack of competition caused by the virtual Migros-Coop duopoly, people are prepared to pay five-times here what they would for the same product over the border.

Or one could just say it's because the people think that even if it's exactly the same product, buying it here is better because it's Schweizer Quality - but that would be unfair.

Back on topic, Coke is a pretty bad example to use here and Coca-Cola (the company) know what they are doing.
Coke, like favourite cigarette brands, is fairly price-inelastic so people are still likely to buy it if the price goes up a bit (11% in this case).
Selecta may actually find that consumers boycott their machines and buy their coke elsewhere.
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A capitalist economy really needs competition, and lots of it, to benefit the consumer.

It's different here because, of the lack of competition caused by the virtual Migros-Coop duopoly, people are prepared to pay five-times here what they would for the same product over the border.

Or one could just say it's because the people think that even if it's exactly the same product, buying it here is better because it's Schweizer Quality - but that would be unfair.

Back on topic, Coke is a pretty bad example to use here and Coca-Cola (the company) know what they are doing.
Coke, like favourite cigarette brands, is fairly price-inelastic so people are still likely to buy it if the price goes up a bit (11% in this case).
Selecta may actually find that consumers boycott their machines and buy their coke elsewhere.
Switzerland's competition comes from having 3 EU countries across its borders with cheaper shopping. Granted you are stuffed if you live on top of a mountain in central Switzerland but there are hundreds of thousands of people living within touching distance of the border that can go and buy their cheaper groceries and whatnot.

Not many countries have to contend with that, do they?
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