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Starting a Verein/club

Hi everyone, I would like to start a Verein for kids soccer, does anyone know what it involves and which authorities I should go through?
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Re: Starting a Verein/club

No need to register clubs in any official way. If you want to open a bank account for the club, you will need the statutes of the club and have held a general meeting where those statutes have been approved (in other words, you will need the minutes of that meeting).
You can probably find examples of statutes on the web by searching, but if you want I'll PM you the statutes of a choir I've just been involved in setting up (not quite the same thing, but it will give you an idea of the sorts of things that need to go in there).
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Old 03.08.2015, 10:53
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Re: Starting a Verein/club

Exactly that ^^.


There are no official "registration requirements". Just get some interested folks together, have a meeting, elect/fill the positions of President, Treasurer (if required), adopt the statutes (these are largely standard), and minute the meeting. Open a bank account as described above, if required, and... you're done!


Just one point, if you're going to charge fees for an activity, you can't charge non-members of the Verein more than members.
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Re: Starting a Verein/club

Yes.

You don't need to register anthing. You just need to write statuten (a constitution) and hold an AGM to accept these.

I think as a minimum the Verein must have a Vorstand (Committee) which must be elected at the AGM and whose job it is to manage the club. There must be an AGM at least once per year, at which as a minumum the financial accounts must be accepted and the Vorstand (re)elected and the minutes of the AGM of the previous year approved. You thus need to take and archive minutes of this meeting. As long as your turnover remans below a certain amount (about 40K, not sure of the precise figure) you don't need to file taxes.

To open a bank account you need to take the Stauten to the bank as well as the IDs of the Vorstand members.
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Just one point, if you're going to charge fees for an activity, you can't charge non-members of the Verein more than members.
It's interesting you mention that. Do you have a source? I am in a Verein that regularly charges more for non members.
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Re: Starting a Verein/club

And check out insurance responsibilities. Accidents do happen and it can save a lot of hassle later if matters are clear from the start.
Try 'vereinsrecht' for more info.
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It's interesting you mention that. Do you have a source? I am in a Verein that regularly charges more for non members.
Phew, luckily you can hide from the Vereinspolizei behind your anonymous internet alter ego!

My source is my accountant (with reference to a Verein with which I am involved). I double-checked the advice he gave and in retrospect, perhaps our situation is a little different -- it seems to depend on whether registration of the Verein for business purposes is required or not. Here's what he said:

"As you are earning money for (activities offered by the Verein), you would have to get registered at the Commercial Registry (Handelsregisteramt)... As you have to get registered at the Handelsregisteramt, there is one important thing to note: the price for (the activities) has to be the same whether the (participant) is a member of your Verein or not."
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Re: Starting a Verein/club

Mr. 22 yards, better get another accountant.
I am as well not aware of any law which forbids discounts for members. As you can not prove a negative I found one counter example of a quite big verein with a turnover of more than CHF 40k and registred in Handelsregister: TCS (Statutes). Registred since 21 Jan. 1897 http://ge.ch/hrcintapp/externalCompa...ofrcLanguage=1

Here one of many offers where members pay less than the general public
http://www.tcs.ch/de/kurse/personenw...--Dauer:-1-Tag
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"As you are earning money for (activities offered by the Verein), you would have to get registered at the Commercial Registry (Handelsregisteramt)... As you have to get registered at the Handelsregisteramt, there is one important thing to note: the price for (the activities) has to be the same whether the (participant) is a member of your Verein or not."
Both core claims are utter nonsense.

You only have to register with the Handelsregister if revenues exceed 100k annually (Handelsregisterverordnung Art 36)

And prices definitely need not be the same, a seller is free to structure prices as he pleases. That's a direct consequence of the "Vertragsfreiheit", otherwise it would be illegal to have different prices for children, grownups, the handicapped, cloth size, etc. Most of all, pricing based on geotagging would be illegal too, I trust you're aware of recent news e.g. on pricing by Coop, Amazon, SWISS, etc.

And Personalized Pricing (google) would be unthinkable.
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Hi everyone, I would like to start a Verein for kids soccer, does anyone know what it involves and which authorities I should go through?
Enjoy the sunshine!
Cheers
Nadine
Beobachter has a guide called "So funktioniert unser Verein" for CHF 39. It looks helpful:

http://www.beobachter.ch/buchshop/re.../unser-verein/

The table of contents and first chapter are at this link:

http://download.e-bookshelf.de/downl...0002859537.pdf
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Re: Starting a Verein/club

We're members of more than one Verein that charge more for services for non-members than for members...(SAC, Elternverein)
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Both core claims are utter nonsense.

You only have to register with the Handelsregister if revenues exceed 100k annually (Handelsregisterverordnung Art 36)

And prices definitely need not be the same, a seller is free to structure prices as he pleases. That's a direct consequence of the "Vertragsfreiheit", otherwise it would be illegal to have different prices for children, grownups, the handicapped, cloth size, etc. Most of all, pricing based on geotagging would be illegal too, I trust you're aware of recent news e.g. on pricing by Coop, Amazon, SWISS, etc.

And Personalized Pricing (google) would be unthinkable.
The Verein that I'm involved with has revenues that exceed CHF 100k p.a.

As for the issue of equal pricing, I agree that it sounds odd. I'll look into it further.
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Re: Starting a Verein/club

OP, Lachen already has a soccer club. You probably want to contact them first

www.fcla.ch
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