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Rule making goes into bizarre hyperdrive when long-termers combine Swiss perfectionism with thwarted American ambition.
Thank you, thank you, makeabigwish, for this sentence, that summarises this phenomenon so well. It suddenly made a whole lot of behaviour I'd observed (elsewhere, not in the American Club) make sense.

It's not always easy finding the balance between earnest efforts at integrating (at the risk of crippling one's soul), versus just not bothering at all and fully retaining one's original national and cultural identity (at the risk of causing offence and never feeling welcome or fitting in).

Oh, dear, there you go! I've broken an EF rule, I guess, by posting off-topic or too seriously in a light-hearted thread.

Anyway, thanks, makeabigwish, I like your turn of phrase.
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Old 22.08.2015, 13:20
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Re: The Swiss Rules you love to break

The Migros self service scanning gun asked me if I had "scanned" all of my items. I clicked yes.

I did not scan all the items.
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Old 22.08.2015, 14:34
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It's not always easy finding the balance between earnest efforts at integrating (at the risk of crippling one's soul), versus just not bothering at all and fully retaining one's original national and cultural identity (at the risk of causing offence and never feeling welcome or fitting in).
Yes ... I have lived in several different countries. I used to be vehement about "going native" and genuinely trying to integrate.

I decided in Switzerland to leave this thinking behind.

I met an American woman on the tram who was in her 90s and lived here since her 20s. She said she still did not have many Swiss friends. She said they don't really want you to integrate, you will never really integrate, so just go about your life, don't worry about it much and do whatever level of integration feels authentic and works for you.
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Oh, dear, there you go! I've broken an EF rule, I guess, by posting off-topic or too seriously in a light-hearted thread.
Yes ... I instantly started thinking of all the EF rules I like to try to break.

And once again, the English Speaking rule makers in Switzerland can be some of the most strict and punitive.

The problem is that if we all now start admitting to EF rules we like to break while living in Switzerland, then we will all risk getting blackballed, censored and kicked off the forum.

... and then EF will lose some of it's more carefree, entertaining, funny, interesting posters and great future content !!!
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Re: The Swiss Rules you love to break

Definitely flush the toilet after 22h00. No one seems to care.

Used to take showers sometimes (not by choice!) after that time too, but then a notice was posted by one of our "chèr(e) voisin(e)" complaining that the shower water flow, banging the shower head on the bathtub, was disturbing them during the night.

That said, it seemed some residents in the building didn't care, adding their graffiti on the notice including, "Why didn't you identify yourself", "Maybe you should buy a house", "Maybe people don't have the same schedule as you do".

In fact, if people were actually taken in by the police 100% of the time in our apartment complex for causing a huge ruckus after 22h00, we'd be seeing a whole lot more police activity here, but we don't. You can sometimes get loud yahooing and what not easily after midnight, with no apparent repercussions. The only time the police came once was when a shop which is near our complex had its windows broken in the middle of the night.


I also use the laundry after the gazetted end-of-day time, 21h00.


Sometimes, if I've forgotten to buy / renew my abonnement, I take the bus three stops down to the train station to do so... without buying a ticket.
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Old 22.08.2015, 18:06
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Re: The Swiss Rules you love to break

As we speak, I am washing some towels....on somebody else's day.

Just hoping the nice weather will keep them from coming home for another hour or so.
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The Migros self service scanning gun asked me if I had "scanned" all of my items. I clicked yes.

I did not scan all the items.
There are some items that don't need to be scanned at the self-checkout, but should be typed/keyed in: individually sold (not by weight/pack) lemons, limes, persimmons (Sharon(-frucht)/Kaki), bread rolls, there are probably more...
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Old 22.08.2015, 19:23
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Re: The Swiss Rules you love to break

After three years in Brighton (yes cool shit) where the daiiy argument about whose clothes Pegs WHERE WHOSE and ended up with every one taking up and down their own line, Switzerland was like a breath of fresh air. I kid you not.
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Re: The Swiss Rules you love to break

I don't have a fixed line phone.

I don't have any kind of swisscom subscription.

I usually answer my mobile with "Hello, <my first name> speaking". Unknown numbers that turn out to be telemarketing get added to my reject list. I refuse to admit to speaking German.

Take out rubbish or compostables at any hour of any day.

Missed a compulsory pre starting kindergarten meeting last month.

Have failed to return at least one form to teacher on time so far since The Horror started KiGa last week.

Will not attend teacher's wedding next weekend.

I can imagine the school related list of transgressions growing quite fast.
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Re: The Swiss Rules you love to break

It depends on the neighbors. You got lucky! My old neighbors who were 2floors above me used to be up late on any given day of the week and yet they claimed my flushing was disturbing them. They never called police though when the youngsters nearby were listening to techno at 2 AM (I did ) Sometimes I think some people just need a person to complain about or else they might have to fall in love with life

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Definitely flush the toilet after 22h00. No one seems to care.

Used to take showers sometimes (not by choice!) after that time too, but then a notice was posted by one of our "chèr(e) voisin(e)" complaining that the shower water flow, banging the shower head on the bathtub, was disturbing them during the night.

That said, it seemed some residents in the building didn't care, adding their graffiti on the notice including, "Why didn't you identify yourself", "Maybe you should buy a house", "Maybe people don't have the same schedule as you do".

In fact, if people were actually taken in by the police 100% of the time in our apartment complex for causing a huge ruckus after 22h00, we'd be seeing a whole lot more police activity here, but we don't. You can sometimes get loud yahooing and what not easily after midnight, with no apparent repercussions. The only time the police came once was when a shop which is near our complex had its windows broken in the middle of the night.


I also use the laundry after the gazetted end-of-day time, 21h00.


Sometimes, if I've forgotten to buy / renew my abonnement, I take the bus three stops down to the train station to do so... without buying a ticket.
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Re: The Swiss Rules you love to break

got invited to a teacher's wedding? That's pretty cool. Sure you don't want to take advantage of their lush range of apero appetizers?

I'd be careful with the compulsory kindergarten/school meetings.. you don't want teachers letting out their anger/frustration on your kid..


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I don't have a fixed line phone.

I don't have any kind of swisscom subscription.

I usually answer my mobile with "Hello, <my first name> speaking". Unknown numbers that turn out to be telemarketing get added to my reject list. I refuse to admit to speaking German.

Take out rubbish or compostables at any hour of any day.

Missed a compulsory pre starting kindergarten meeting last month.

Have failed to return at least one form to teacher on time so far since The Horror started KiGa last week.

Will not attend teacher's wedding next weekend.

I can imagine the school related list of transgressions growing quite fast.
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The clubhouse of the American Women's Club of Zurich is one of the most uptight places in CH.

What's worse than the Swiss? .... Westerners who live in CH a long time and become more Swiss than Swiss.

At the clubhouse, everything is labeled and over the years all kinds of rules and signs have gone up and down about what to do and not do.
It say on the door "No Strollers", so I always walk very quickly...
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Re: The Swiss Rules you love to break

Thanks to this thread, I am realising the scale of my transgressions (and to think that I considered myself rule abiding!)
  • Flushing the loo and showering past 2200 and as early as 0300.
  • Recycling & throwing trash out on Sundays
  • Vacuuming on Sundays
95% of my neighbours are Swiss and I do think they do the same
  • Answering the phone with "Hello" or "Bonjour/Bonsoir".
  • Like the BeastOfBodmin, I somehow forget German/French if it is some telemarketer (and once had one asking me "Warum können Sie nicht Deutsch lernen?"- or something like that).
  • Not participating in the three-kiss & handshaking ritual with people I barely know.
  • I have also walked on busy roads without pedestrian paths (in my defence, how was I to know that a pedestrian path came to a full stop at a curve?)
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got invited to a teacher's wedding? That's pretty cool. Sure you don't want to take advantage of their lush range of apero appetizers?

I'd be careful with the compulsory kindergarten/school meetings.. you don't want teachers letting out their anger/frustration on your kid..


I agree! Definitely cool. And your being at the teacher's wedding (and not taking tooo much advantage of the appetizers) will probably put you in very good standing with her and give you a grace-credit for any further demeanours in the future.
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The Migros self service scanning gun asked me if I had "scanned" all of my items. I clicked yes.

I did not scan all the items.
That's bad, please don't do it as it would make the self service experience more draconian for all of us law abiding citizens.
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Re: The Swiss Rules you love to break

Being happy as a foreigner.

Seriously now - not flushing the toilet and not showering after 10 p.m. is a "rule" I never obeyed. Never had any complaints.
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Being happy as a foreigner.

Seriously now - not flushing the toilet and not showering after 10 p.m. is a "rule" I never obeyed. Never had any complaints.
Does the rule even still exist? How is it meant to be enforced? How does it work for people who work shifts? Doesn't seem very hygienic either.
I haven't come across this rule in any official, written sense, only in general talk about how things are often done/not done here.
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Re: The Swiss Rules you love to break

I think the (not) flushing after 10 pm isn't a uniform law, though it can be part of the house rules / rental contracts.

Any naked hikers here? :O

Wenn man in einer Etagenwohnung wohnt, darf in der Schweiz die Toilettenspülung nicht mehr betätigt werden. Ein weiterer Klassiker ist das immer noch existente Tanzverbot an hohen kirchlichen Feiertagen, flankiert vom Nacktwanderverbot in Appenzell-Innerrhoden.

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I think the (not) flushing after 10 pm isn't a uniform law, though it can be part of the house rules / rental contracts.
Understood. But are such rules actually ever adhered to?! Until what time is one meant to hold off?!
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Understood. But are such rules actually ever adhered to?! Until what time is one meant to hold off?!
7 am? One must be reasonable.

I don't have anything like this written down on the lease agreement and not even one single "benevolent" neighbour has said anything about it....but but it's a common knowledge you know....
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