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jetset 23.08.2015 19:57

Looking for our stolen bakfiets/cargo bike
 
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Someone stole our beloved bakfiets from our home in Winterthur last night :( . It's a WorkCycles model. Looks a lot like a bakfiets.nl.

If you happen to see it being sold online, I'd really appreciate it if you sent me a link. Or if you see it at a bike market somewhere.... Or if you happen to see it out about, please let me know where you spotted it. A photo would be great.

Unfortunately, we do not expect this to be covered by our insurance, so I'm extra eager to do what I can to track it down.

(PSA: if you have an electric bike, make sure that your insurance reflects this. Not just a "bike" for their purposes.)

Thanks!

roegner 23.08.2015 20:02

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If you are on FB, post this as well in the group Nederlanders in Zwitserland. Might help.

Confloozed 24.08.2015 11:09

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Does it have any tagged information where I could identify it as your's? I can't say I have ever seen one of those before, but if I do, how do I know it's yours and nor someone else's?

Verbier 24.08.2015 13:39

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In case they try to move it to the Swiss French area, you should also be checking on http://www.anibis.ch

Search under: vélo cargo

Good luck.

jetset 24.08.2015 16:05

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Originally Posted by Confloozed (Post 2438534)
Does it have any tagged information where I could identify it as your's?

This is the bike number: 140926
After hauling adult sized bikes around in it a couple times, the edges on the cargo box are a little scratched up. Particularly on the driver's side left. On the frame supporting behind the box, the paint is also a tad chipped in some spots from taking a tumble once. There was a grey Timbuk2 bike bag attached to it, but I guess they might take that off of it.

SebG 29.10.2015 10:44

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Hello Jetset,

Sorry to bring this thread up and its bad memories. Hope you found your bike since.

As an owner of a special bike too, i'm always scared to leave it on the streets. I wanted to ask you the following:

1. What kind of lock did you use and how was it secured (against a lamp post ...) ?
2. What do you mean by insurance won't cover because it's an e-bike. Did you have it covered under your home insurance or was it a dedicated bike insurance ?

Thanks for your reply

jetset 02.11.2015 05:49

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unfortunately, we never got it back :msnsad:

the bike was in front of our house and behind our fence. there is no lamp post on our terrace to secure it to. we used the bike lock that's installed with the bike. i'm not sure, but i think it's called something like a ring lock. turn the key and a bar slides through the tires...

if you have an electric bike, you should make sure that your insurance covers it. not all insurance carriers do unless you explicitly have it written in that it's electric. i can't find the original k-tipp article i read about this, but this goes in that direction.

https://www.ktipp.ch/artikel/d/aufge...elo-diebstahl/

hope that helps somewhat!

SebG 02.11.2015 08:08

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Originally Posted by jetset (Post 2477555)
unfortunately, we never got it back :msnsad:

Sorry to hear that, I know the feeling and it sucks.

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Originally Posted by jetset (Post 2477555)
the bike was in front of our house and behind our fence. there is no lamp post on our terrace to secure it to. we used the bike lock that's installed with the bike. i'm not sure, but i think it's called something like a ring lock. turn the key and a bar slides through the tires...

By bar slide, do you mean a U lock ? They are usually solid. though if you're bike wasn't locked to a solid object, they could always take it like that and remove the lock later.

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Originally Posted by jetset (Post 2477555)
if you have an electric bike, you should make sure that your insurance covers it. not all insurance carriers do unless you explicitly have it written in that it's electric. i can't find the original k-tipp article i read about this, but this goes in that direction.

https://www.ktipp.ch/artikel/d/aufge...elo-diebstahl/

hope that helps somewhat!

I suppose you were insured as part of your home insurance, which doesn't cover much. Given the rise in popularity of ebikes, Zurich & Vaudoise are now selling dedicated bike insurance from 99CHF, which I would advise everyone whol ove their bikes to get.

Journalists have done an interesting test, tracking a stolen bicycle over Geneva, Zurich & Bern.
http://voldevelo.ch/zurich.html?lang=de

speakeron 02.11.2015 14:26

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Originally Posted by SebG (Post 2477572)
By bar slide, do you mean a U lock ? They are usually solid. though if you're bike wasn't locked to a solid object, they could always take it like that and remove the lock later.

The poster probably means something like this:

http://localmile.org/wp-content/uplo...5/DSC_1145.jpg

It's really just a low-security immobilizer. Might be fine for parking outside a shop for a few minutes, but it's really no security if the bike is unattended in public for any length of time.

It maybe the sort of thing that you'd think would be fine for low-crime Switzerland. Trouble is, while Switzerland is a low-crime country, many people here don't consider bike theft to actually be a crime...

You need a sturdy U-lock connecting the frame (not just a wheel) and a fixed object with as little air-gap as possible or a heavy-weight chain for good bike security here.

Treverus 02.11.2015 14:44

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Originally Posted by speakeron (Post 2477771)
It maybe the sort of thing that you'd think would be fine for low-crime Switzerland. Trouble is, while Switzerland is a low-crime country, many people here don't consider bike theft to actually be a crime...

Common... that's true for certain student areas where drunk youngsters might decide it is ok to nick an old "below 50 CHF" bike parked on the street to use it to get home. I don't think many Swiss think that stealing valuable bikes is ok.

speakeron 02.11.2015 15:39

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2477782)
Common... that's true for certain student areas where drunk youngsters might decide it is ok to nick an old "below 50 CHF" bike parked on the street to use it to get home. I don't think many Swiss think that stealing valuable bikes is ok.

Well, I was first informed of this by a (Swiss) girlfriend who was a very prim and proper schoolteacher. She said she'd have no hesitation in taking a bike if she needed one late at night (obviously, she didn't go around 'tooled-up' so she was talking about an unlocked bike).

I've also had comments from Swiss friends (non of them drunken students) expressing surprise at the size of the lock I use and the care I take in locking the bike up. There's a general feeling that the insurance will pay for this anyway so it doesn't matter (of course, we all end up paying in that case).

And as to how seriously the cops take this issue: http://www.englishforum.ch/1603473-post26.html

One thing I didn't mention in that story, is that when I first went to the cops they just told me to cut the chain myself (i.e. they told me to steal my own bike back without any verification that it was my bike). I naturally insisted that they did it...

Bike theft in Switzerland is one great big <shrug>.

SebG 02.11.2015 15:46

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2477782)
Common... that's true for certain student areas where drunk youngsters might decide it is ok to nick an old "below 50 CHF" bike parked on the street to use it to get home. I don't think many Swiss think that stealing valuable bikes is ok.

Perhaps you have an idealistic way of seeing this country.
Switzerland is no stranger to bicycle theft with more than 1/2 million bikes stolen every year (source : http://www.velostaedte.ch/)

Tom1234 02.11.2015 16:08

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What irks me is the lack of secure places to lock my bike.

All the places around us have those stupid bike racks where you can only secure your front wheel.

This is in stark contrast to the U.K. where the 'inverted-U' racks are prevalent which enable you to lock your frame and both wheels to the rack.

http://www.bikerack.com/images/comme...e-rack-820.jpg

Treverus 02.11.2015 16:12

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Originally Posted by SebG (Post 2477819)
Perhaps you have an idealistic way of seeing this country.
Switzerland is no stranger to bicycle theft with more than 1/2 million bikes stolen every year (source : http://www.velostaedte.ch/)

I am not saying that nothing gets stolen in CH, but I don't agree that it is socially acceptable to steal a bike.

speakeron 02.11.2015 16:16

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Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 2477831)
All the places around us have those stupid bike racks where you can only secure your front wheel.

I put mine in backwards then put a u-lock through the rear wheel and frame (with the lock pointing downwards). But I'm still the only person in the whole country that does that. (Actually, some people in my apartment block have been copying this after seeing the smug secureness of my bike.)

speakeron 02.11.2015 16:22

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2477835)
but I don't agree that it is socially acceptable to steal a bike.

Gordon Bennent, I don't agree it is either. Of course, the equation changes when people don't even think it's stealing. Many people think it's a least morally neutral to 'borrow' one (and just abandon it somewhere - have you ever seen the huge pool of bikes collected by the cops?). Once that idea is part of your psyche, then it's easier not to care about bike theft in general.

jetset 05.11.2015 15:39

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Originally Posted by speakeron (Post 2477771)
The poster probably means something like this:

http://localmile.org/wp-content/uplo...5/DSC_1145.jpg

Yes, this is what I was referring to. Thanks for clarifying!

bugger 05.11.2015 16:08

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Originally Posted by speakeron (Post 2477838)
I put mine in backwards then put a u-lock through the rear wheel and frame (with the lock pointing downwards). But I'm still the only person in the whole country that does that. (Actually, some people in my apartment block have been copying this after seeing the smug secureness of my bike.)

Can you post a pic pls, I cant visualise it.

Taichief 05.11.2015 16:15

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All electric bike motors have a unique serial number that will be traceable back to you when purchased, so should the new 'owner' ever have it services etc it will be flagged as stolen.... So I understand

Tom1234 05.11.2015 16:43

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Originally Posted by speakeron (Post 2477838)
I put mine in backwards then put a u-lock through the rear wheel and frame (with the lock pointing downwards). But I'm still the only person in the whole country that does that. (Actually, some people in my apartment block have been copying this after seeing the smug secureness of my bike.)


I do that too but then I use a separate wire hawser 'lock extender' to lock the front wheel to the U-lock too.


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