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It's no wonder that Swiss society is crumbling the way the rules are being wilfully ignored. I've also noticed bundles of newspaper today (it's paper collection day) which are just not padded and tied neatly. Nor are the packs being stacked nicely by the roadside, all so higgeldy-piggedly. It breaks one's heart to see the Sauerei.
It's no wonder the rules for recycling are more and more often ignored in Swiss towns if they are made so complicated and unfriendly to the resident.
Why should one have to specially buy string and gift-wrap something just to throw it away?!
If it was collected on a much more regular basis and if cardboard was collected with it, there would be no need for these piles of bundled up paper! After all at some point, the string has to come off again in any case!
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It's no wonder the rules for recycling are more and more often ignored in Swiss towns if they are made so complicated and unfriendly to the resident.
Why should one have to specially buy string and gift-wrap something just to throw it away?!
If it was collected on a much more regular basis and if cardboard was collected with it, there would be no need for these piles of bundled up paper! After all at some point, the string has to come off again in any case!

I wasn't actually being serious plumtree - I have the impression you think I was....
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I wasn't actually being serious plumtree - I have the impression you think I was....
Understood. I guess for me then it is a Swiss 'rule' I break (I can't say I love breaking it), insofar as I don't hoard up newspapers, magazines and advertising for 3 months and then bundle them with string and put them outside for collection! A collection which only takes place 4 times a year is ludicrous. I just toss anything like that, that I have finished with, into an ordinary bin on my way, that way it never mounts up.
How many newspapers and magazines get left on public transport every day for example? They always say/ask you to take all rubbish, especially newspapers, with you, to dispose of on the platform or elsewhere, but so many people simply don't do this!
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It's no wonder the rules for recycling are more and more often ignored in Swiss towns if they are made so complicated and unfriendly to the resident.
Why should one have to specially buy string and gift-wrap something just to throw it away?!
If it was collected on a much more regular basis and if cardboard was collected with it, there would be no need for these piles of bundled up paper! After all at some point, the string has to come off again in any case!
Normally it is the Scouts or the schools that collect the newspaper to pay for a special trip- the bundles have to be picked up and thrown neatly on a cart then thrown neatly into a lorry or train- neatly not to be neat, but to take much less space and less transport. What YOU think is stupid, because you've not experienced it before- does not necessarily mean it is --- stupid. It's clear you are not prepared to adjust and adapt your ways in any way about anything- whatever the reason- so I do from time to time wonder why you've gone to live abroad (you are welcome btw- but I am wondering). About prices, how much larger is your salary compared to 'back home' wherever that is. Or is it OK to have a larger salary but expect everything to be as cheap? Just wondering?
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Understood. I guess for me then it is a Swiss 'rule' I break (I can't say I love breaking it), insofar as I don't hoard up newspapers, magazines and advertising for 3 months and then bundle them with string and put them outside for collection! A collection which only takes place 4 times a year is ludicrous. I just toss anything like that, that I have finished with, into an ordinary bin on my way, that way it never mounts up.
How many newspapers and magazines get left on public transport every day for example? They always say/ask you to take all rubbish, especially newspapers, with you, to dispose of on the platform or elsewhere, but so many people simply don't do this!
I can't believe that your newspapers/magazines etc are only collected 4 times a year. Our huge apartment bins for magazines are emptied weekly Is it different if you have a house?
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I can't believe that your newspapers/magazines etc are only collected 4 times a year. Our huge apartment bins for magazines are emptied weekly Is it different if you have a house?
Ours are collected once a month.
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Ours are never ever collected, none of our refuse is ... apart from large items on 2 dates a year.
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About prices, how much larger is your salary compared to 'back home' wherever that is. Or is it OK to have a larger salary but expect everything to be as cheap? Just wondering?
I don't have a salary as I don't work. Most prices here are, in essence, extraordinarily higher than elsewhere and disproportionately so, a huge (and so very much larger than elsewhere) percentage of the price is mere profit.

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I can't believe that your newspapers/magazines etc are only collected 4 times a year. Our huge apartment bins for magazines are emptied weekly Is it different if you have a house?
I think it simply differs from town to town and doesn't alter according to whether it is a house or block of flats. I live in a flat. But paper (literally only newspapers and magazines, - no card, books, catalogues or telephone directories allowed!) really is collected only 4 times a year (exactly - by school kids who throw it onto a truck), so imagine if you are away for one of those collections! That's when people have even more to put out! It's forbidden to put it out the day before (but people do), some even 2 days before as I guess they are simply sick of hoarding it. Apparently it is not even meant to be put in paper (supermarket) bags!
Cardboard is even worse - it isn't collected separately at all, so you can basically do 1 of 4 things:
either you put it in the taxed sacks and pay a huge amount extra for the sacks to fit it all in,
take it to a place where it is accepted (even then it is meant to be gift-wrapped(!) otherwise it can be refused), though how you are meant to get it there without transport is beyond me (I have no access to a car),
burn it (people who have a fireplace or an allotment do this (not sure if it is legal or not))
or dump it illegally somewhere!
Take your pick!

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I think it simply differs from town to town and doesn't alter according to whether it is a house or block of flats. I live in a flat. But paper (literally only newspapers and magazines, - no card, books, catalogues or telephone directories allowed!) really is collected only 4 times a year (exactly - by school kids who throw it onto a truck), so imagine if you are away for one of those collections! That's when people have even more to put out! It's forbidden to put it out the day before (but people do), some even 2 days before as I guess they are simply sick of hoarding it. Apparently it is not even meant to be put in paper (supermarket) bags!
Cardboard is even worse - it isn't collected separately at all, so you can basically do 1 of 4 things:
either you put it in the taxed sacks and pay a huge amount extra for the sacks to fit it all in,
take it to a place where it is accepted (even then it is meant to be gift-wrapped(!) otherwise it can be refused), though how you are meant to get it there without transport is beyond me (I have no access to a car),
burn it (people who have a fireplace or an allotment do this (not sure if it is legal or not))
or dump it illegally somewhere!
Take your pick!
Seriously, do you expect the state to do everything for you?
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Well here they don't - they take their rubbish to the local Molok bin- and go to one of the recycling centre when required for glass, paper, cardboard, compost, etc- on their way to the shops, school, the post office or bank or whatever. The fine for burning stuff in your garden or allotment is 300CHF for the first time, then it escalates.
It is truly not complicated, honest. When the system changed from collection to DIY, some people complained bitterly- now they've all seen the bills tumble due to everyone's effort- hurrah, everyone is happy. Our own bill is less than 50% of what it used to be- great news.

So, what about your husband's/partner's salary- is that not higher than 'back home'? Salaries are not higher just for your pleasure, but because things are ... more expensive here- and this has to be taken into account in your decision to come here too. Stating that not scanning some items at the supermarket because 'things are expensive here' is way out of order- truly. And neither of us here have a Swiss salary either! Golly- I do hope we are not expected to pay for you via our taxes!?!

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I think plumtree expects to be able to scrounge until someone puts a full stop to it.
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I wasn't actually being serious plumtree - I have the impression you think I was....
But in general it is as unfriendly as it can be and they earn money on the recycling so I don't know why it is so much complicated and done once a month only for some compounds...
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But in general it is as unfriendly as it can be and they earn money on the recycling so I don't know why it is so much complicated and done once a month only for some compounds...

Presumably you are speaking of the monthy (or whatever) waste-paper collection. By unfriendly you mean? And, just to ask, if you find it complicated what would be your suggestion for doing it better? Your local gemeinde will always be pleased to do better if you toddle along with your improvement plan.
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When did I ever say such a thing? And how is rubbish collection everything?
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so I do from time to time wonder why you've gone to live abroad (you are welcome btw- but I am wondering).
I've been 'abroad' longer than time spent in 'home country'. 'Abroad' for me is now outside of Switzerland. Thank you for the welcome note, albeit to balance out your comments, if you wrote it you have a good heart. Most of the time the reception here on the forum is decidedly frosty and one is told to shut up and go home, which is just both rude and wrong!
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Well here they don't - they take their rubbish to the local Molok bin- and go to one of the recycling centre when required for glass, paper, cardboard, compost, etc- on their way to the shops, school, the post office or bank or whatever.
We don't have that system here!
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The fine for burning stuff in your garden or allotment is 300CHF for the first time, then it escalates.
So it's illegal where you are. Here I don't know, I just know it goes on. I don't have an allotment so I don't have that option either.
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It is truly not complicated, honest. When the system changed from collection to DIY, some people complained bitterly- now they've all seen the bills tumble due to everyone's effort- hurrah, everyone is happy. Our own bill is less than 50% of what it used to be- great news.
As stated previously there is not an option here for any further change in that direction, it is already at its limit resident unfriendliness/complexity wise!
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So, what about your husband's/partner's salary- is that not higher than 'back home'? Salaries are not higher just for your pleasure, but because things are ... more expensive here- and this has to be taken into account in your decision to come here too.
This is zero due to non-employment and other factors. My income supports the family unit entirely.
I came as I ran away from persecution and needed a safe haven. Do you really think everyone thinks about the absurd prices and taxed-rubbish bags here before they step over the border?
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Stating that not scanning some items at the supermarket because 'things are expensive here' is way out of order- truly. And neither of us here have a Swiss salary either! Golly- I do hope we are not expected to pay for you via our taxes!?!
I didn't say I did this or condone it, I merely stated that it obviously goes on!

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That's just a preposterous remark. How is not tying up newspapers with string (and not waiting the full 3 months to throw them out) scrounging? It isn't even money saving, it is just to clear them in a more regular fashion! Put a stop to what?!

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But in general it is as unfriendly as it can be and they earn money on the recycling so I don't know why it is so much complicated and done once a month only for some compounds...
Exactly, couldn't agree more. Here the paper is only collected 4 times a year (once every 3 months) and cardboard is not taken, it is a nightmare!

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Take your cardboard and paper to a recycling place or to Ikea?
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So it's illegal where you are. Here I don't know, I just know it goes on. I don't have an allotment so I don't have that option either.



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Allotments holders will tell you that it's not allowed to burn anything. With the systems Switzerland has in place there's no reason to pollute the air. Those allotment holders who use their barbeque fireplaces to get rid of rubbish do so with a bad conscience.
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How cannot recycling be a pleasant community initiative and perfect exercise for your lower back then I don't know? Especially when you need to bend, make those accurate size bundles, cut strings to size and then you ask your spouse to press her finger right in the middle so that you can make a tight knot ... Same rules applies to carton although a bit more strain on scissors and your lower back altogether

We usually prepare our paper wrappings way in advance so that the date does not come as a surprise for oblivious minds and store them in cellar. The deadlines usually fall on Saturdays and there is no particular rule governing that you cannot stick them out already on Friday as pretty much all neigbours do it. All you need is scissors, string and bit of vigour to handle the whole ceremony ...

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Take your cardboard and paper to a recycling place or to Ikea?
No transport and no Ikea anywhere close.
I break it up into pieces about A4 or A5 size and take a bag of it with me when I go shopping and just toss it into an ordinary rubbish bin at the station or in a supermarket, or in a small container that they occasionally have for cardboard (if available) in front of or in the store, - I understand they are actually obliged to take it back in Germany (where I do most of my shopping now), not sure whether the same applies in Switzerland and/or at what point in Swiss stores/stations taking it there actually reverts into dumping and possibly illegal dumping. I've seen plenty of others doing it locally (because of the absurd system we have in place).
This works for the smaller stuff, but for larger cardboard boxes, I store them in the cellar until you can't get in there as it's so packed full of them, then I have a morning of breaking them all up into small pieces, bagging them up ready to go, then once a day as I go out I take a bag with me to dispose of, in about a fortnight the whole lot that I want to get rid of is clear! But I shouldn't have to do this (aside from the fact that it is bordering on being illegal), - it should be collected free of charge along with ordinary household refuse. Other towns have that system in place (I know, because I used to live in one), so I don't see why all can't.
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Allotments holders will tell you that it's not allowed to burn anything. With the systems Switzerland has in place there's no reason to pollute the air. Those allotment holders who use their barbeque fireplaces to get rid of rubbish do so with a bad conscience.
I fear the local authorities don't know that the allotment holders do it.

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But in general it is as unfriendly as it can be and they earn money on the recycling so I don't know why it is so much complicated and done once a month only for some compounds...
By that logic anything that costs more than it earns should be reduced, perhaps abolished altogether.

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I fear the local authorities don't know that the allotment holders do it.


Well, we are talking about The Swiss Rules you love to break...


But they do know, they're not silly. It's getting there at the right moment, that's the problem.
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