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Old 31.10.2015, 14:18
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Job ads in general

How can companies or organisations get away with completely unpaid full-time "intern" placements? Do these people get a proper job after having turned up to work unpaid for so long? I find the notion rather hard to get my head around. Why are people expected to work for free? How can they be expected to live without mummy & daddy supporting them which by the time they have been through university is well into their 20's?

I am looking at job adverts & it's an eye opener. Some openly state you have to be under a certain age which is openly ageist. I can understand the "you must be Swiss" v permit statements, language requirements.

What have you seen in job ads which has struck you as strange or interesting?
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Old 31.10.2015, 14:24
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Re: Job ads in general

There are perks to working for the UN.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-34683472
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Old 31.10.2015, 14:28
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I think it's done to enhance one's CV. I guess it's another life advantage that the poor can't afford.
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Old 31.10.2015, 15:19
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Re: Job ads in general

That is hardly Switzerland-specific, but a peculiarity of the UN.

In fact unpaid employment in Switzerland is generally illegal. Interns will normally be paid anywhere here, contrary to other countries where unpaid internships are frequent and normal (e.g. the US)

Regardless, it's pretty common here to live with one's parents into their 20s (not that I think it's good, but well...) and as far as criteria such as age are concerned, this is equally common and Switzerland hasn't reached the paranoia level of other countries (yet) as far as discrimination is concerned.
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That is hardly Switzerland-specific, but a peculiarity of the UN.

In fact unpaid employment in Switzerland is generally illegal. Interns will normally be paid anywhere here, contrary to other countries where unpaid internships are frequent and normal (e.g. the US)
Yes indeed. As a rule of thumb, first-year trainees earn about 10% and third-year trainees earn about 20% of the starting starting salary of a full-time person in their occupation. Of course, trainees typically work 40% to 60% rather than 100%, so their wages for hours worked is actually better than the appearance of the 10-20% rule of thumb.

This is a list of recommended wages for most trainee occupations in Switzerland:

http://www.berufsberatung.ch/dyn/bin...nd_2014_08.pdf

The UN Geneva should be ashamed of itself for exploiting unpaid labor.
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OTOH, the UN is AFAIK completely financed by its member-states (well, a few of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations#Funding)

So, who would like to pay higher taxes to have UN interns paid well?

I know that US tax-payers in particular would be thrilled.
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As for job-adverts - well, at least they're upfront.
What's the point of applying for a job just so the employer has to make up a reason to turn you down?
Due to silly EU-laws, employers outside Switzerland can't even tell you how you could improve your performance in the interview anymore...

You don't really need a law against age-discrimination. Smart employers know that you can't run a business long-term with only 20-somethings with no experience.
They'll have a lot of great ideas that won't work-out in the long-term (which they'll hardly realize because they've already switched jobs again before the whole thing bombs).
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Re: Job ads in general

Another thing I find bugging is you don't know where the job offer is based as a lot of them are hidden behind recruitment companies. You end up going round in circles with their adverts too as one recruiters site shows adverts on another etc.
Is these phrases supposed to encourage people to for for the job?
"good resistence to a stressful environment"
"You are resilient"
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How can companies or organisations get away with completely unpaid full-time "intern" placements?
It's the Romanic savoir-vivre. It can happen in Geneva, but not in Switzerland.

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Another thing I find bugging is you don't know where the job offer is based as a lot of them are hidden behind recruitment companies. You end up going round in circles with their adverts too as one recruiters site shows adverts on another etc.
Use indeed to parse the ads. HR dimwits just copy/paste whatever job description the client sends to them. So you'll see sometimes 4/5 ads with the exact same content for months.

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Is these phrases supposed to encourage people to for for the job?
"good resistence to a stressful environment"
"You are resilient"
Oh that means "we're searching for foreigners". It can also mean we'll make you sweat buckets for those fat stacks.
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That is hardly Switzerland-specific, but a peculiarity of the UN.

In fact unpaid employment in Switzerland is generally illegal. Interns will normally be paid anywhere here, contrary to other countries where unpaid internships are frequent and normal (e.g. the US)

Regardless, it's pretty common here to live with one's parents into their 20s (not that I think it's good, but well...) and as far as criteria such as age are concerned, this is equally common and Switzerland hasn't reached the paranoia level of other countries (yet) as far as discrimination is concerned.


If you lost your job at the age of 50 because your company decides to close down, you would not call it paranoia but a plea for fairness and meritocracy. Being disregarded simply because of your age is discriminatory and shameful.
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Re: Job ads in general

Yeah, it seems normal enough here - Friedrich Miescher Institute for Biomedical Research (FMI) offered me a slavery job 6 years ago
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