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Guest 20.11.2015 09:32

Train etiquette
 
I was taking the the train home on my normal route and it wasn't crowded. I was sitting up stairs in the first set of seats(these 4 seater seats) on the left. I hear something coming up the stairs steadily and loudly(couldnt see, I was facing away) and then it wanted to sit next to me. It was a woman with a broken foot and crutches! I smiled and moved my bag for her to sit and said "natuerlich" being a bit startled by her injury.

I'm not startled by her but from the fact that she had walked all the way up the stairs to the place where I was sitting and no one even bothered to give up their seat for a woman with a broken foot and crutches! She was huffing and puffing and seemed relived she could finally sit down. Behind me were a group of men in their 30's chatting away, I'm sure they saw the woman! The people sitting in the seats below saw her too I'm sure and could've gotten up. Sadly this is not the first time I have seeing such things and it shouldn't surprise me being in Switzerland.

Do y'all find that sort of thing normal around here? Perhaps I'm an old fashioned woman myself and I give up my seats for the elderly, pregnant women, and disabled.

olygirl 20.11.2015 09:37

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People get into a "can't be bothered" mode. Sad, really.

Glad you showed some compassion. Good on ya.

i-b-deborah 20.11.2015 09:38

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I would'a stood.

PaddyG 20.11.2015 09:39

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There's no such thing as "train etiquette" in Switzerland.

Tom1234 20.11.2015 09:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PepperFlower (Post 2488945)

Do y'all find that sort of thing normal around here? Perhaps I'm an old fashioned woman myself and I give up my seats for the elderly, pregnant women, and disabled.

No, there are considerate and inconsiderate people here as much as anywhere else.

Squeeeez 20.11.2015 09:55

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I am sure that, if somebody with crutches walks into a wagon and asks something along the lines of "may I sit here somewhere?", people would remember their good manners.
Or at least I very very much hope so...

Helm 20.11.2015 09:59

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Haven't had much luck as an obvious pregnant woman (it really can't be mistaken for too much beer...). Not even in the places usually reserved for "us"... People just avoid eye contact and hope I just go away... I'm not the person to hold my tongue, though, specially considering I'm in constant pain, so I just say something. Usually a bothered person gets up and makes sure to make me feel guilty for demanding a place to sit (under the big sticker saying "for old, pregnant and handicapped people"). Yes, being pregnant is not a sickness, but logic says that if there is a sticker reserving a few places for them, maybe, just maybe, there is a reason to let these women sit down...

Went to Italy a few weeks ago. I got inside the train at rush hour. People were almost fighting to see who was going to be the first to let the tired pregnant woman sit down. There was an almost Coppola moment in which the masses moved aside, while the dim light concentrated on the empty throne waiting just for me... I was almost teary.

There are nice and awful people everywhere. Unfortunately I haven't had much luck in the train line I take in Zürich... :(

Landers 20.11.2015 11:05

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Switzerland is the only place where if you're the only person in a carriage someone will come and sit right in front of you! Just like no matter where you stand on a platform someone will bump into you even if you're the only people there!

Tom1234 20.11.2015 11:09

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Originally Posted by Landers (Post 2489046)
Switzerland is the only place where if you're the only person in a carriage someone will come and sit right in front of you! Just like no matter where you stand on a platform someone will bump into you even if you're the only people there!

That's human nature (for some people) and it happens anywhere.

Sometime you park in an empty car park and the next person comes along and parks right next to you so you have trouble opening your door.

At an otherwise empty campsite, someone will pitch their tent two feet from yours.

Chemmie 20.11.2015 11:12

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Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 2489050)
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At an otherwise empty campsite, someone will pitch their tent two feet from yours.



This is awkward at strip clubs as well

Ace1 20.11.2015 11:15

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Originally Posted by PaddyG (Post 2488950)
There's no such thing as "train etiquette" in SwitzerlandZuerich.

Fixed that for you.

Seriously though, I spent some time on crutches recently and found that everyone was very considerate and helpful.

Landers 20.11.2015 11:33

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Originally Posted by Chemmie (Post 2489057)
This is awkward at strip clubs as well

You're doing it wrong.

longboat 20.11.2015 12:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Landers (Post 2489046)
Switzerland is the only place where if you're the only person in a carriage someone will come and sit right in front of you! Just like no matter where you stand on a platform someone will bump into you even if you're the only people there!



Having spent 15 years commuting into London, via various routes, travel here is nothing but a pleasure.

Urs Max 20.11.2015 12:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PepperFlower (Post 2488945)
[...]
Sadly this is not the first time I have seeing such things and it shouldn't surprise me being in Switzerland.

Do y'all find that sort of thing normal around here? Perhaps I'm an old fashioned woman myself and I give up my seats for the elderly, pregnant women, and disabled.

At least 25% of the population are foreigners, on average one per coach. Half of them women so on average one foreign woman in every other coach. Why did none of them get up?

If generalization didn't exist it would definitely need to be invented even if only for a certain kind of people.

Phil_MCR 20.11.2015 13:04

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Originally Posted by Urs Max (Post 2489151)
At least 25% of the population are foreigners, on average one per coach. Half of them women so on average one foreign woman in every other coach. Why did none of them get up?

when in rome...

Meerkat33 20.11.2015 13:05

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i've never noticed this, people usually give up their seats to people that might need them, especially on the bus, i see so often old ladies having to say people that they don't want to sit it's almost funny.
trains are a different story, on the S-bahn the folded seats are always free, maybe the lady just preferred walking up to sit in the same way the train is going or stuff like that, you sit for a long time on the train after all, people might also be less inclined to give up their seat if they are in a group and still have 1 hour to go.

Squeeeez 20.11.2015 13:18

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Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 2489155)
when in rome...

Thought we were talking about Zurich here...?

Tom1234 20.11.2015 13:26

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Maybe the lady with the crutches felt she would rather sit next to another woman rather than in amongst a load of young men - and would be prepared to hobble a bit further to do that.

That's quite normal.

Busby 20.11.2015 14:08

Re: Train etiquette
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PepperFlower (Post 2488945)
I was taking the the train home on my normal route and it wasn't crowded. I was sitting up stairs in the first set of seats(these 4 seater seats) on the left. I hear something coming up the stairs steadily and loudly(couldnt see, I was facing away) and then it wanted to sit next to me. It was a woman with a broken foot and crutches! I smiled and moved my bag for her to sit and said "natuerlich" being a bit startled by her injury.

I'm not startled by her but from the fact that she had walked all the way up the stairs to the place where I was sitting and no one even bothered to give up their seat for a woman with a broken foot and crutches! She was huffing and puffing and seemed relived she could finally sit down. Behind me were a group of men in their 30's chatting away, I'm sure they saw the woman! The people sitting in the seats below saw her too I'm sure and could've gotten up. Sadly this is not the first time I have seeing such things and it shouldn't surprise me being in Switzerland.

Do y'all find that sort of thing normal around here? Perhaps I'm an old fashioned woman myself and I give up my seats for the elderly, pregnant women, and disabled.

My immediate impression would be that if she could walk up the stairs and ignore the seats on the lower deck where she could walk on even floors then she couldn't have been in very dire straits.

xynth 20.11.2015 14:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 2489050)
At an otherwise empty campsite, someone will pitch their tent two feet from yours.

With me, they only make this mistake once. Next time they learn to bring a gas mask and never light an open fire in the morning if I was seen having canned beans the previous evening.


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