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Train etiquette

I was taking the the train home on my normal route and it wasn't crowded. I was sitting up stairs in the first set of seats(these 4 seater seats) on the left. I hear something coming up the stairs steadily and loudly(couldnt see, I was facing away) and then it wanted to sit next to me. It was a woman with a broken foot and crutches! I smiled and moved my bag for her to sit and said "natuerlich" being a bit startled by her injury.

I'm not startled by her but from the fact that she had walked all the way up the stairs to the place where I was sitting and no one even bothered to give up their seat for a woman with a broken foot and crutches! She was huffing and puffing and seemed relived she could finally sit down. Behind me were a group of men in their 30's chatting away, I'm sure they saw the woman! The people sitting in the seats below saw her too I'm sure and could've gotten up. Sadly this is not the first time I have seeing such things and it shouldn't surprise me being in Switzerland.

Do y'all find that sort of thing normal around here? Perhaps I'm an old fashioned woman myself and I give up my seats for the elderly, pregnant women, and disabled.
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Old 20.11.2015, 09:37
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Re: Train etiquette

People get into a "can't be bothered" mode. Sad, really.

Glad you showed some compassion. Good on ya.
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I would'a stood.
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Re: Train etiquette

There's no such thing as "train etiquette" in Switzerland.
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There's no such thing as "train etiquette" in SwitzerlandZuerich.
Fixed that for you.

Seriously though, I spent some time on crutches recently and found that everyone was very considerate and helpful.
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There's no such thing as "train etiquette" in Switzerland.
There is - outside the hours of 6-8am and 5-8pm. Inside those hours it's all out warfare, and every man for himself.
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There's no such thing as "train etiquette" in Switzerland.
But there sure used to be, when I was growing up there in the 40s.
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Re: Train etiquette

My experience hobbling around with a cane:

Folks age 50+ will generally offer their seat, without being asked.

If outside Zürich city limits, teenage boys will offer their seats, without being asked.

Young men in Swiss Army uniforms tend to jump up and offer you a seat and ask if they can help you getting off.


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Before she got to you, she'd kicked 3 young bears out of their seats, tried them out and decided she did not like them. She then moved upstairs, sat next to you and pinched a mouthful of your Muesli while chatting to you and stating her name. Goldilocks.

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If outside Zürich city limits, teenage boys will offer their seats, without being asked.
More incidences of this happening that otherwise. That grungy/gothic/hoodied teen is more likely to be chivalrous than the suited and booted.
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Re: Train etiquette

i had an interesting experience this weekend.
i got on the ICE to Zurich, and went into the kiddies wagon (similar to the normal wagons, but it has a kids play area in the middle) by accident.
anyways i sat at the very end next to an old lady that was knitting. the wagon wasn't full and even though there were a few kids running around, it didn't bother me.
fast forward to the next stop, and a loud and angry (nanny i think, but could be an older mother) comes in and starts shouting at the old lady across from me. my German is still flawed, but she made a big fuss that this is a wagon for kids and families only. the old lady apologized, packed her half knitted sweater with tools and left...the angry woman sat down with her 2 kids and didn't speak much to me for the rest of the journey except when one of the kids untied my shoelace by climbing under the seats...
anyways i have no idea what that was about, or why she didn't ask me to move, but still...weird Swiss people I tell you...
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But there sure used to be, when I was growing up there in the 40s.
I believe part of the problem is that we are so modern now days. Roles of genders, what is polite and impolite and what is normal is changing. I don't like it for the MOST part.

Oh my, I don't want to get people started now by typing what I just did
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Re: Train etiquette

By the way, it has happened with me in more than one opportunity that when offering a seat to someone this person refuses and I feel like being un polite at the end.
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Do y'all find that sort of thing normal around here? Perhaps I'm an old fashioned woman myself and I give up my seats for the elderly, pregnant women, and disabled.
No, there are considerate and inconsiderate people here as much as anywhere else.
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Old 20.11.2015, 09:55
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Re: Train etiquette

I am sure that, if somebody with crutches walks into a wagon and asks something along the lines of "may I sit here somewhere?", people would remember their good manners.
Or at least I very very much hope so...
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Re: Train etiquette

Haven't had much luck as an obvious pregnant woman (it really can't be mistaken for too much beer...). Not even in the places usually reserved for "us"... People just avoid eye contact and hope I just go away... I'm not the person to hold my tongue, though, specially considering I'm in constant pain, so I just say something. Usually a bothered person gets up and makes sure to make me feel guilty for demanding a place to sit (under the big sticker saying "for old, pregnant and handicapped people"). Yes, being pregnant is not a sickness, but logic says that if there is a sticker reserving a few places for them, maybe, just maybe, there is a reason to let these women sit down...

Went to Italy a few weeks ago. I got inside the train at rush hour. People were almost fighting to see who was going to be the first to let the tired pregnant woman sit down. There was an almost Coppola moment in which the masses moved aside, while the dim light concentrated on the empty throne waiting just for me... I was almost teary.

There are nice and awful people everywhere. Unfortunately I haven't had much luck in the train line I take in Zürich...
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Re: Train etiquette

Switzerland is the only place where if you're the only person in a carriage someone will come and sit right in front of you! Just like no matter where you stand on a platform someone will bump into you even if you're the only people there!
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Switzerland is the only place where if you're the only person in a carriage someone will come and sit right in front of you! Just like no matter where you stand on a platform someone will bump into you even if you're the only people there!
That's human nature (for some people) and it happens anywhere.

Sometime you park in an empty car park and the next person comes along and parks right next to you so you have trouble opening your door.

At an otherwise empty campsite, someone will pitch their tent two feet from yours.
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At an otherwise empty campsite, someone will pitch their tent two feet from yours.


This is awkward at strip clubs as well
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At an otherwise empty campsite, someone will pitch their tent two feet from yours.
With me, they only make this mistake once. Next time they learn to bring a gas mask and never light an open fire in the morning if I was seen having canned beans the previous evening.
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