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Konuku 11.12.2015 10:19

How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?
 
I sort of live in a bubble and also in Ticino which might be considered the most laid back area of Switzerland, so this topic is a bit tricky for me to judge personally.

I've had several conversations with people who live here, as well as those who don't, about the "oppressiveness" of Switzerland. One new friend recounted a story about her former Zurich neighbours insisting that she repark her car which was parked in her own spot. Though it was within the parking lines, it wasn't centered enough within those lines, so they made her move her car. :msnshock:

It seems to have been the straw to break the camel's back to make her move from the Swiss German area.

Do any of you feel oppressed here? Or do you have friends or family who don't like visiting because they find the Swiss too "uptight" and "regulated"?

Chuff 11.12.2015 10:23

Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?
 
Compared to the oppressiveness of, say, the UK with it's increasing clamp down on civil liberties, democracy and freedom of speech? Where political correctness has gone mad and Christmas is being re-named and in many areas you can't walk down a street at night without looking behind your back?

I'll take a couple of nosy yet ultimately impotent neighbours (who I can politely tell to sod off without any worries whatsoever) any day of the week. Honestly, the inconsequential **** some people moan about... :D

k_and_e 11.12.2015 10:24

Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?
 
I agree.

It is absolutely ridiculous that people cannot park their cars in the middle of the parking place. We have a rule in our apartment building that all cars must be parked with the front facing the wall and the rear exactly aligned to the line of the parking place.

You cannot believe how many people break the rules. I have already written hundreds of post-its but people still continue doing so.

Happy that Lugano is better for that so I consider moving there too.

PanFastic 11.12.2015 10:26

Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?
 
I like the fact that the Swiss are "too uptight and regulated"

dodgyken 11.12.2015 10:30

Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?
 
There are 2 types of people when it comes to parking.

Those who can reverse into a parking spot and women.
:eek::cool::D

Guest 11.12.2015 10:31

Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?
 
Konuku (as a French speaker your name does make me smile every time I see it ...) I won't speak about the oppresiveness or not of Switzerland- but about the parking. We have a large 4x4 and I have a bad knee- so if someone next to us parks near the line and not in the centre of the parking place- we can't park in the parking place. So yes, asking someone to park centrally in a narrow parking area, makes total sense, here, there, or anywhere. It's not for aesthetics!

If you feel oppressed, it is a shame, but then you will have to balance it all out and if 'back home' wherever that is, comes on top, or elsewhere for that matter- I wish you Bon Voyage- life's too short to be oppressed to such an extent that you have to park your car carefully, I agree.

bonaire 11.12.2015 10:32

Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?
 
I feel that 2015 July temperatures were oppressive in Switzerland. But that eventually passed.

There are a lot of rules here, both written and unwritten, but I can't imagine there are so many rules that it would really factor into moving here. /shrugs

Konuku 11.12.2015 10:36

Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?
 
I'm fascinated by the groans I got already! I am not the one complaining. :)

I am just repeating what other people have said. I am just curious. My boyfriend refuses to move here because he says he can feel a palpable heaviness or oppression here. Other people had made similar comments. So, I am only trying to see how other people feel.

Du calme, du calme. :)

Karl 11.12.2015 10:38

Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?
 
I wouldn't mind all the rules and social expectations of the Swiss if they were a bit friendlier (at least to us "foreigners"). A little small talk or banter at the shops, instead of the instant "Aufwiedersehen" and breaking of eye contact the microsecond any transaction is over. Neighbors who are willing to chat when passing, reveal maybe a little bit about themselves, just to make conversation. But no. Cold icy protocol, "Grueze" and "Aufwiederluege" is all you get most of the times.

Guest 11.12.2015 10:38

Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?
 
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Originally Posted by Konuku (Post 2501666)
Do any of you feel oppressed here? Or do you have friends or family who don't like visiting because they find the Swiss too uptight and regulated?

Oh, that is just a favorite past time. That is because NooBs tend to lurk around, wide-eyed, curious, and looking so unsure of themselves. They all seem to be asking for it. And its a good time to enforce some good behaviorial habits, lest they suddenly get over confident and start making a mess of things around them.

Chuff 11.12.2015 10:38

Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?
 
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Originally Posted by Konuku (Post 2501680)
I'm fascinated by the groans I got already! I am not the one complaining. :)

I am just repeating what other people have said. I am just curious. My boyfriend refuses to move here because he says he can feel a palpable heaviness or oppression here. Other people had made similar comments. So, I am only trying to see how other people feel.

Du calme, du calme. :)

Your language used and lack of own opinion spoke volumes... if you didn't think it was oppressive you would have said so. ;)

Konuku 11.12.2015 10:41

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 2501684)
Your language used and lack of own opinion spoke volumes... if you didn't think it was oppressive you would have said so. ;)

Um, that is why I wrote this:

"I sort of live in a bubble and also in Ticino which might be considered the most laid back area of Switzerland, so THIS TOPIC IS A BIT TRICKY FOR ME TO JUDGE PERSONALLY."

I guess I wasn't clear enough...

Quote:

Konuku (as a French speaker your name does make me smile every time I see it ...)
Ha ha ha! I never even thought about that. :) Gee, I might have to change it. It is actually an Aruban word that means "countryside". I liked the way it sounded so use it occasionally as a user name. :)

Guest 11.12.2015 10:43

Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?
 
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Originally Posted by Konuku (Post 2501685)
Um, that is why I wrote this:

"I sort of live in a bubble and also in Ticino which might be considered the most laid back area of Switzerland, so THIS TOPIC IS A BIT TRICKY FOR ME TO JUDGE PERSONALLY."

I guess I wasn't clear enough...

Alright, before you start getting depressed and too negative, you're not the only one, alright? Lots of people report that during their acclimation phases, which can last several years. But you ought to know the issue is not really the population you moved into. They've done fine all these centuries without you. It is more about your adjustment to the environment.

Sbrinz 11.12.2015 10:43

Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by k_and_e (Post 2501670)
....We have a rule in our apartment building that all cars must be parked with the front facing the wall .....

Have you discovered yet why there is this rule, in nearly every underground car park? (clean walls?)

You can find these finicky people everywhere, maybe they are just more visible here. I quite like living with a regimented population, as you know what to expect, and can live your life according to their rules. I know that usually the rubbish truck comes at 13:30 on Tuesday, the Postman at 12:15 every day, and the buses & trains are usually on time. If you need a little excitement, and something to moan about, try living in a poor country.

CorsebouTheReturn 11.12.2015 10:44

Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by k_and_e (Post 2501670)
I agree.

It is absolutely ridiculous that people cannot park their cars in the middle of the parking place. We have a rule in our apartment building that all cars must be parked with the front facing the wall and the rear exactly aligned to the line of the parking place.

You cannot believe how many people break the rules. I have already written hundreds of post-its but people still continue doing so.

Happy that Lugano is better for that so I consider moving there too.

It's also happening in the french speaking part of Switzerland. No later than this morning I noticed one car was not centered in the parking spot! 21.5cm on the left line and 47.3cm on the right line!
Outrageous! We already wrote an anonymous complain letter but its really ruining everything! it's so oppressive!

Thankfully, after checking the other 20 cars or so, most of them were aligned.
Time for a soothing Edelweiss tea to relax!

Eepus 11.12.2015 10:45

Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?
 
I guess if you want to break rules Switzerland is oppressive, as you will actually be caught and given a fine for your sins :)

Apart from traffic (and yes parking!) Lugano seems to me exactly as traditional as rest of the Switzerland. In all honesty, its their party. We are the visitors more or less long term so in the end if people find it oppressive they could always actively try to move on...as your friend smartly did :D

amogles 11.12.2015 10:46

Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Konuku (Post 2501666)
I sort of live in a bubble and also in Ticino which might be considered the most laid back area of Switzerland, so this topic is a bit tricky for me to judge personally.

I've had several conversations with people who live here, as well as those who don't, about the "oppressiveness" of Switzerland. One new friend recounted a story about her former Zurich neighbours insisting that she repark her car which was parked in her own spot. Though it was within the parking lines, it wasn't centered enough within those lines, so they made her move her car. :msnshock:

It seems to have been the straw to break the camel's back to make her move from the Swiss German area.

Do any of you feel oppressed here? Or do you have friends or family who don't like visiting because they find the Swiss too "uptight" and "regulated"?

This is why I live in Stadt Zürich and not out in the sticks.

Most people here don't have cars. The parking lots are used by outsiders and we can criticise them with impunity.

Ace1 11.12.2015 10:47

Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?
 
Quote:

Konuku (as a French speaker your name does make me smile every time I see it ...)
First name Ann?:msnwink:

Konuku 11.12.2015 10:51

Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sbrinz (Post 2501690)
Have you discovered yet why there is this rule, in nearly every underground car park? (clean walls?)

You can find these finicky people everywhere, maybe they are just more visible here. I quite like living with a regimented population, as you know what to expect, and can live your life according to their rules. I know that usually the rubbish truck comes at 13:30 on Tuesday, the Postman at 12:15 every day, and the buses & trains are usually on time. If you need a little excitement, and something to moan about, try living in a poor country.

I do understand. I feel this every time I visit Italy which is only 20 minutes from me. I love Italy, but it does have so much more chaos (and horrific, bully drivers). I am content coming back to Ticino, where I know things work well...and are cleaner. :)

NotAllThere 11.12.2015 10:52

Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bonaire (Post 2501677)
I feel that 2015 July temperatures were oppressive in Switzerland. But that eventually passed.

There are a lot of rules here, both written and unwritten,

I find a "Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know. Can you show me where that rule is written down?" deals effectively with unwritten rules. In my experience most such rules are simply ill-founded opinion.


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