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Please do not leave keys in letterboxes

Hello everyone,

Please do not leave your keys in mailboxes !

I understand it is considered standard practice in CH , but its really not safe anymore.Your keys could easily get stolen from even locked letterboxes! All it needs is nimble fingers!

Have to share this bizzare incident with everyone.

Before leaving for a 2 week holiday, we had left a set of keys with the house agents as the owners would be in town while we were out.We returned to find a strange woman staying in our flat , and she had the same key that we had given the house agents.Her stories about acquiring the keys didn't add up, and it being a saturday, the house agents were not contactable.Long story short, the police came and took her with them.She had on her person the mail of 70 different people with addresses all over zurich. Bills, credit cards, letters etc.So essentially, she had been stealing from various mailboxes all over Zurich.She would reach in through the little flap!Our house agents, bless them, had put the keys in an envelope and left them in our mailbox after the owner's visit!Even the police were taken aback by this freak incident.Took me 2 days to see the funny side of it!

Anyway, so I just HAD to spread the word around, DO NOT LEAVE KEYS IN MAILBOXES! Very easy to steal!

And a very happy new year to all!
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Re: Please do not leave keys in letterboxes

Oh! That is weird and shocking! Is it really a common practice here to leave keys on the mailbox? I thought it was something only my boyfriend did. My boyfriend was hosting for a few days a friend of us and they were leaving the keys to each other this way. One day they disappeared. We believe they were taken by someone who was living at the same building with him, since he was always without keys waiting outside for someone to let him in. After the disappearance of the keys, he didn't have this issue again. That was harmless, but you cannot feel safe knowing that someone has the keys of your apartment, let alone find him in your home!
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Re: Please do not leave keys in letterboxes

In our apartments, in order to buy a new card for the washing machine, we all used to put the card and 30 Francs in an envelope and post that into the Hauswartin's letterbox.
That was until money started going missing from her box.
Needless to say, the box has now been modified so that now no fingers, big or small, can reach the envelopes.
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Re: Please do not leave keys in letterboxes

Friday Thread... *yawn*

It's not safe "anymore"? because it has ever been safe to leave the keys in a mail box?

Hey I also have a heartwarming positive and educative lesson to share with the wonderful community of naive people!

Please do lock the door after leaving outside, even for a small time. Once I did it, spent more time in the shop, came back to see the door open. WOW, these things "really happens"

Oh another one, please turn off the cooker when leaving outside even for a minute because you never know what can happen outside (accident, chatting with neighbor, locking the door without keys, etc...).

Wonderful! If anyone has any other wonderful advice to share, please do so!

Anyway let's ignore Common Sense, really it's overrated these days!

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Re: Please do not leave keys in letterboxes

We need to send this horror story to the postmen/postwomen - Don't leave my parcels and letters propped up outside the building front door!!! :-)
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Our letter box is also difficult to get into, but nonetheless will now stop the practice.

Thanks for the tip, Sumita.

EDIT: Common practice! Of course it is.. where else are relatives, friends going to put the house key after they lock up & leave, while you're sat at work.. under a flowerpot perhaps, or maybe they should dig a hole in the garden and bury it.

Will kick our lot out at 6 in the morning in future
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Re: Please do not leave keys in letterboxes

I think, Switzerland being Switzerland, this was common practice, as a Swiss neighbour told me. But things are changing!

There are four ground floor apartments here in our "area", and 3 of those have been burgled in the past few years. Never mind keys; my neighbours don't want their mail to stay in for more than a few days in the mailbox - we are quite often on mailbox duty!
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Re: Please do not leave keys in letterboxes

Additionally, get your post held at the post office if you go away for more than a few days.

You can do it online.

We had all our post stolen over the summer including a voucher for 200 CHF which had been a present, bank stuff, birthday cards, medical information and lots of other stuff that, six months later, we're still dealing with.
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Re: Please do not leave keys in letterboxes

Our mailboxes are certainly not new, I'd guess well over ten years old.. But I would think they would be very difficult to get anything out of without busting the lock.

The slot is small, maybe 12-15mm and the flap does not fully open. Inside there extends a piece of metal which extends maybe 40-50mm so letters/objects slide over this and then downwards. There's no way that any human fingers could get past this piece of metal and down to the floor of the mailbox and any tool would need to be pretty special.

What do you guys have, an open box or something?
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Our mailboxes are certainly not new, I'd guess well over ten years old.. But I would think they would be very difficult to get anything out of without busting the lock.

The slot is small, maybe 12-15mm and the flap does not fully open. Inside there extends a piece of metal which extends maybe 40-50mm so letters/objects slide over this and then downwards. There's no way that any human fingers could get past this piece of metal and down to the floor of the mailbox and any tool would need to be pretty special.

What do you guys have, an open box or something?
We don't have that extra bit of metal - I'm going to see if I can retro-fit something.
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Our letter box is also difficult to get into, but nonetheless will now stop the practice.

Thanks for the tip, Sumita.

EDIT: Common practice! Of course it is.. where else are relatives, friends going to put the house key after they lock up & leave, while you're sat at work.. under a flowerpot perhaps, or maybe they should dig a hole in the garden and bury it.

Will kick our lot out at 6 in the morning in future




I guess it would help if people had mail slots in their front doors? I know, I know, it's not how it is here... but it would solve this particular problem!


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How would that help in the usual apartment block
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How would that help in the usual apartment block


Mail slot in apartment door? Like I said, I'm looking at it from a UK perspective, and I've never lived in an apartment (other than when I was a student in a shared flat). I often forget to check our mail box - it's just not something I'm tuned into at all yet.


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Yes!
Lock the doors of the apartment and leave the keys inside (through the mail slot in the front door).

Genius!
That way no one can enter illegally, no one!

I must admit that this bright idea goes beyond any expectations that I had about this thread...
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I must admit that this bright idea goes beyond any expectations that I had about this thread...
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Re: Please do not leave keys in letterboxes

It was not unusual for "latchkey" kids to have the front door key kept on a bit of string inside the letter box on the front door as it's surely more secure than under the doormat. :-)

Years ago people were warned not to hang up their keys anywhere near the front door because people were using poles and wire etc to get at them. In fact, it's not a bad idea to hide your keys somewhere.

When I lived in an apartment we had letter boxes (well the hole anyway) in each front door, not at the main entrance. Friends who lived in places where there were boxes in the entrance hallway often reported some being broken into.

I was once waiting for a package from UPS and I got an email that it had been delivered and was "outside the front door". I rushed home to find mine and several other post-box doors wide open, with nothing in them. I went inside and there by my actual front door was the package. Phew!
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Mail slot in apartment door? Like I said, I'm looking at it from a UK perspective, and I've never lived in an apartment (other than when I was a student in a shared flat). I often forget to check our mail box - it's just not something I'm tuned into at all yet.


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Yes!
Lock the doors of the apartment and leave the keys inside (through the mail slot in the front door).

Genius!
That way no one can enter illegally, no one!

I must admit that this bright idea goes beyond any expectations that I had about this thread...

And a good afternoon to you too.


I must admit that I am surprised that I have to emphasise individual mail slot in individual apartment doors - but then I do suppose it depends if it's code or key to get out of the building.


I refer you to my previous post where I say I'm a house-dweller. But don't let that get in the way of a good emoji.
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Good point - if it's coded entry it could work.

My post-person would however no doubt complain about the 4 flights of stairs each trip (without lift) .
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Good point - if it's coded entry it could work.

My post-person would however no doubt complain about the 4 flights of stairs each trip (without lift) .


It's an imperfect world....
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Oh! That is weird and shocking! Is it really a common practice here to leave keys on the mailbox? I thought it was something only my boyfriend did. My boyfriend was hosting for a few days a friend of us and they were leaving the keys to each other this way. One day they disappeared. We believe they were taken by someone who was living at the same building with him, since he was always without keys waiting outside for someone to let him in. After the disappearance of the keys, he didn't have this issue again. That was harmless, but you cannot feel safe knowing that someone has the keys of your apartment, let alone find him in your home!
Hi !
According to the police, any loss of key/missing key should be reported immediately !
So , if you haven't traced it yet, I suggest you report it.
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