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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 11.07.2016, 13:44
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So it seems whoever becomes PM, the UK will be leaving assuming the PM gets her way...
I understood the making and breaking of treaties is a Royal Prerogative handed over to the First Among Equals in Parliament - the Prime Minister. I'm sure some consensus is desirable, but it doesn't sound like it requires a parliamentary vote. What kinds of obstacle might she encounter that prevents her from invoking Article 50?

I think there is a court case pending next week on whether parliamentary voting is necessary. It appears to be a grey area that is based on historical precedence rather than defined in writing.
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Old 11.07.2016, 13:50
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It appears to be a grey area that is based on historical precedence rather than defined in writing.
Like almost everything in the UK political process.
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Old 11.07.2016, 14:07
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Pretty interesting times ahead. We had both leading contenders to the Conservatives being women. Now potentially the opposition leader could also be a woman. And maybe in the US, we will have the first female President.
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Old 11.07.2016, 14:07
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

The truth at last from Mr's Thatcher's economist Patrick Minford
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_rV...ature=youtu.be
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Old 11.07.2016, 14:16
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It's official Leadsom withdraws from the race.
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Old 11.07.2016, 14:23
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well she was caught out lying on her CV bigging up her 'city' background, then the loathsome interview she gave showed a real lack of judgment, but may isn't exactly better.
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The truth at last from Mr's Thatcher's economist Patrick Minford
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_rV...ature=youtu.be
This one is actually funny. He calls other people's assumption "assumptions" and his own are called "facts". He admits it later on by renaming them "correct assumptions". He counters the authority arguments of others by supporting his own authority arguments. If it was in German, I could use that in my rhetoric classes. I might make that class multilingual next year...

The arguments that it is good for economy to have cheaper import and get rid of export barriers imply however that the export will be done not to the EU where the standards will not be lowered for import from UK but to the rest of the world. The premisses of his whole argument is that the UK will be trading more with the world and less with the continent, like in the good old days. He might be right, but I find funny that he transvestites this ideology (yes, whatever implication is based on assumptions, even the "correct ones" is ideological and this is neither good or bad) into a pseudo-rational argument that would give Aristotle an orgasm: What he says means actually that if one replaces other people's premisses with his, he is right. Well, that can't really be counter-argued, can it?
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Old 11.07.2016, 16:20
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This one is actually funny. He calls other people's assumption "assumptions" and his own are called "facts". He admits it later on by renaming them "correct assumptions". He counters the authority arguments of others by supporting his own authority arguments. If it was in German, I could use that in my rhetoric classes. I might make that class multilingual next year...

The arguments that it is good for economy to have cheaper import and get rid of export barriers imply however that the export will be done not to the EU where the standards will not be lowered for import from UK but to the rest of the world. The premisses of his whole argument is that the UK will be trading more with the world and less with the continent, like in the good old days. He might be right, but I find funny that he transvestites this ideology (yes, whatever implication is based on assumptions, even the "correct ones" is ideological and this is neither good or bad) into a pseudo-rational argument that would give Aristotle an orgasm: What he says means actually that if one replaces other people's premisses with his, he is right. Well, that can't really be counter-argued, can it?
He was debunking an argument by elaborating on an alternative possible plan of outcome. Is that not allowed in German?
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Old 11.07.2016, 16:34
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the UK will be trading more with the world and less with the continent
This has been a business fact for many companies for the past decade or so. Europe has been in the doldrums for quite a while now and is expected to continue this way for more years still.
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Old 11.07.2016, 18:10
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

New PM this Wednesday:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-andrea-leads/
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Old 11.07.2016, 19:27
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Yes, UK needed the stability of a new and permanent Prime Minister

8 days before the Parliament Recess summer holidays

http://www.parliament.uk/about/faqs/.../recess-dates/

here the minor humming from David Cameron after his speech

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36767880
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Old 11.07.2016, 19:37
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Theresa May gives first speech as Tory Leader. On BBC News now.
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Old 11.07.2016, 19:56
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Yes, UK needed the stability of a new and permanent Prime Minister

8 days before the Parliament Recess summer holidays

http://www.parliament.uk/about/faqs/.../recess-dates/

here the minor humming from David Cameron after his speech

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36767880
Nothing is permanent in politics
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And maybe in the US, we will have the first female President.
Thank god I'm no longer American.

(personally, Palin would be a better choice for a female POTUS)

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FT article here, in which May lays out her plans

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not bad methinks ...

Hope she can live up to the promises.

Great vision statements. Although I don't see how she can promise it yet. Now that she has PM in the bag, she can afford to make more sober and expectations level-setting statements by Wednesday evening. Personally, I'd love to see her get fierce with the EU.
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Old 11.07.2016, 21:06
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Pretty interesting times ahead. We had both leading contenders to the Conservatives being women. Now potentially the opposition leader could also be a woman. And maybe in the US, we will have the first female President.
Angela Eagle's campaign looks like a perfume campaign. Looks like she smells better than Corbyn.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...election#img-1
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Theresa May gives first speech as Tory Leader. On BBC News now.
Theresa May is an ex-banker, married to a banker, who's party is bankrolled by bankers.
Leadsom was even worse.

So there'll be no change in Tory policies.
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Tories: Brexit to new PM within 17 days.
Labour: Stalinist leader, hated by his party being challenged by this...

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The IMF has warned Italy of a two decade long recession. This is same IMF that said the UK should remain in the EU. Can they not see that Italy's problems are caused ENTIRELY by them being in the Eurozone. The country is going to be bankrupt and won't be able to do anything about it because of some idiotic ideology.

When will they learn that you cannot manage all those different economies through a single monetary policy? The ECB cannot do anything to assist Italy without upsetting matters in other countries. Italy are helpless. The Greek problem hasn't gone away either. Britain's exit should be the catalyst for Europeans to wake up and realise how much they're getting screwed.
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Old 12.07.2016, 11:04
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Tories: Brexit to new PM within 17 days.
Labour: Stalinist leader, hated by his party being challenged by this...
Truth be told, the bigger risk and danger to the UK and its economy is more the current leader of the Labor party than Brexit.
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