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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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It is clear that the UK gave the EU Bureaucrats (not the population) the kick in the rear they needed to realize they need to change - this will undoubtedly benefit the countries in the EU, but at the expense of the UK.
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So a hate crime is not treated as a hate crime and this makes you happy?
It wasn't a hate crime, did you not see what prosecutors and the police have said?
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Old 09.01.2017, 11:54
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Beijing Automotive Industry Holding Co., Ltd makes Hyundai and Mercedes
Chery Automobile Co., Ltd produces Jaguar and Land Rover cars in China
BYD is the world's second largest electric car manufacturer.

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A lot of what they produce is for the home market.

In the 1980s, Japanese automakers starting building plants in Europe (well, especially the UK) and North America because, well, it's cheaper to make them locally than to ship them.

This is the IKEA principle. If you ship ready made book cases you can only fit a certain number in a shipping container. If you ship them in parts you can ship many times that quantity and hence shipping costs per unit are way down. The flat pack thus revolutionized the economics of manufacturing.

Much more worrisome for European industry than the Chinese assembling cars in China is them making parts for cars in China. And this is less visisble as the consumer sees the badge and the make but doesn't normally look at the source of the parts.
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Old 09.01.2017, 12:59
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It is clear that the UK gave the EU Bureaucrats (not the population) the kick in the rear they needed to realize they need to change - this will undoubtedly benefit the countries in the EU, but at the expense of the UK.
This is exactly why I have been pro-Brexit from the beginning.
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Old 09.01.2017, 13:38
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It is clear that the UK gave the EU Bureaucrats (not the population) the kick in the rear they needed to realize they need to change - this will undoubtedly benefit the countries in the EU, but at the expense of the UK.
Total rubbish. Pull the DPA from Ireland and the UK and see how the UK added so much red tape to something that was in fact straight forward turned into a nightmare for UK businesses.

Look the agricultural payment system and note that the UK picked the worst of the there options, resulting in them being unable to complete within the times lines and loosing repayments from the EU as a result.

Look at FMOP where the UK has failed miserably at apply the procedures preventing EU national from becoming a burden on the state.

And they are just a couple of examples.
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This is exactly why I have been pro-Brexit from the beginning.
Daft logic. Why don't you amputate your arm before it gets gangrene while you're at it?
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It is clear that the UK gave the EU Bureaucrats (not the population) the kick in the rear they needed to realize they need to change - this will undoubtedly benefit the countries in the EU, but at the expense of the UK.
"It is clear"?
And what information do you have that has been released in the almost 7 months since the referendum on what exactly has/will change in the EU?

And let us not forget all the EU decisions and rules were made by the EU member states not by the EU Bureaucrats.
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Daft logic. Why don't you amputate your arm before it gets gangrene while you're at it?
Because I actually need my arm to do things. So if this happened I would do everything in my power to save it.

I don't really think the UK has ever been useful to the EU, except for being a net contributor in terms of budget. Other than this it was like the constant whiner at the party that everybody is happy to see go. So the loss of the UK does not compare with the loss of an arm for me.
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Old 09.01.2017, 21:23
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The founder of Italy’s populist Five Star Movement (M5S) has asked members to vote on splitting from a Eurosceptic bloc of MEPs co-chaired by Nigel Farage.

Beppe Grillo, a comedian turned politician, said in a post on his blog that since Farage had led Ukip to Britain voting to leave the EU, the two parties no longer shared common goals.

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So much for Italy leaving the EU, not!
So, the results of an online poll today showed almost 80% of M5S’s 40,000 members wanted to join the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe (ALDE).

The plan collapsed this evening as ALDE MEPs from northern European countries lined up to denounce a potential merging with M5S.

This forced ALDE leader Verhofstadt to take the idea off the table, a damaging setback for the liberal leader and Brexit negotiator who is also running for president of the European parliament.

Meanwhile Beppe Grillo now has a group of 17 M5S MEPs without a home in the European parliament, and reducing their access to EU funds.

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You could not make this stuff up
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So, the results of an online poll today showed almost 80% of M5S’s 40,000 members wanted to join the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe (ALDE).

The plan collapsed this evening as ALDE MEPs from northern European countries lined up to denounce a potential merging with M5S.

This forced ALDE leader Verhofstadt to take the idea off the table, a damaging setback for the liberal leader and Brexit negotiator who is also running for president of the European parliament.

Meanwhile Beppe Grillo now has a group of 17 M5S MEPs without a home in the European parliament, and reducing their access to EU funds.

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You could not make this stuff up
Did this guy miss the Brexit vote? Farage and his party won't be in the European Parliament anymore, he could have just waited.
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Old 09.01.2017, 21:40
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Did this guy miss the Brexit vote? Farage and his party won't be in the European Parliament anymore, he could have just waited.
No, after the Italian referendum he wanted to prove his views are not aligned with Farage since most Italians want to stay in the EU; that is why 80% of his party members voted to split from Farage..
He is preparing for the next Italian general election which could be soon!
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Corbyn on Brexit: UK can be better off out of the EU

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"countries like China developed and were able to produce traditional Italian goods such as shoes and clothing at a fraction of the price " This would be exactly the problem UK would face if we went to a "duty free" approach.

Example Chinese industries;
Chinas top exports are Electronic equipment followed by Machines, engines, pumps

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Chery Automobile Co., Ltd produces Jaguar and Land Rover cars in China
BYD is the world's second largest electric car manufacturer.

China now produces 50% of World steel
Yes but talk to car manufacturers themselves - as I do - Chinese quality is v v poor - especially for small but critical components :




As a personal anecdote I purchased some cheap oil pressure sensors on alibaba for my motorcycle - I've had to replace them twice inside one year...
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It is pretty hilarious that a number of his advocates didn't realise this. He's been anti-EU for a looong time.

Just goes to show what kind of an idiotic 10 second attention span society we have become though, and how a small slight can be overblown into offense.
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From the Guardian today:

A new £1,000-a-year immigration skills levy is expected to be introduced on all firms for each skilled migrant they recruit from outside Europe, under a new crackdown ordered by the home secretary, Theresa May.

The skills levy first suggested by David Cameron is part of a package recommended by the government’s migration advisory committee (MAC) that could see the flow of skilled non-EU migrants cut by 20% a year and could hit the recruitment of overseas nurses and teachers the hardest.

The government’s labour market experts say most skilled migrants from outside Europe bring scarce new skills to Britain and are higher paid than their British counterparts, but that there are some jobs – especially in the public sector, such as doctors, nurses and teachers – where they undercut UK salaries by up to £6,000 a year.
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They recommend that the squeeze on the recruitment of skilled labour from outside Europe, currently running at 151,000 people a year, should include a sharp rise in the minimum salary threshold for jobs filled from overseas from £20,800 to £30,000.

The package also includes restrictions on what is known as “intra-company transfers”, which would limit their use to senior managers and specialists by raising the minimum salary for visas to £41,500.

May has ordered the crackdown on skilled labour from outside Europe in the face of record net migration figures of 336,000 to Britain in the 12 months to June last year.

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From the Guardian nearly exactly a year ago, you mean?
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Germany’s largest centre-left party says it would be prepared to let the country’s own short-term economic interests take a back seat and make the “unity of the European Union” a priority in the upcoming Brexit negotiations if it were to form part of the next government.

Germany’s Social Democratic party (SPD) also insists that British membership of the single market should be tied to both accepting free movement of people and recognising the rulings of the European court of justice

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One rumour after another, never ending.....................

Maybe we should pray Merkel wins after all
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Germany’s largest centre-left party says it would be prepared to let the country’s own short-term economic interests take a back seat and make the “unity of the European Union” a priority in the upcoming Brexit negotiations if it were to form part of the next government.

Germany’s Social Democratic party (SPD) also insists that British membership of the single market should be tied to both accepting free movement of people and recognising the rulings of the European court of justice

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One rumour after another, never ending.....................

Maybe we should pray Merkel wins after all
From your link, looks like everybody can open the Champagne now
" The survey of 2,900 firms found that only a small share of 2-3% of companies believed Britain’s departure from the bloc of states would have strong negative consequences on their investment and employment. Meanwhile, a quarter of German firms expected to benefit from diversion of business activities away from the UK."
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Everybody outside the UK if things develop as they expect.
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