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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 26.01.2017, 20:43
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May has published the Bill to invoke Art. 50, strangely it gives her the power to invoke it but leaves her the option to decide to invoke it or not.

Meanwhile, Shadow minister Tulip Siddiq has resigned from the Labour frontbench, telling the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, that she could not reconcile herself to the party’s three-line whip to vote for triggering article 50.

The time set aside to debate the Bill is only an eighth of the amount of time used to debate the Bill introducing the 1992 Maastricht treaty,
Come on, how much time do you need to debate something this short.

http://www.publications.parliament.u..._en_2.htm#l1g1

They should be able to have the vote on it tomorrow.
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Old 26.01.2017, 20:57
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Come on, how much time do you need to debate something this short.

http://www.publications.parliament.u..._en_2.htm#l1g1

They should be able to have the vote on it tomorrow.
Many, many implications

Interesting that the Bill does not state anything about who will be responsible to own or approve the negotiation?
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Old 27.01.2017, 01:47
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Just as importantly, it says nothing about the follow-on treaty.
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Old 27.01.2017, 09:02
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The time set aside to debate the Bill is only an eighth of the amount of time used to debate the Bill introducing the 1992 Maastricht treaty,
What's the complaint here? There are 3 full days allocated to parliamentary debate, and the days can extend to midnight. It's already a foregone conclusion that the bill will be passed in the Commons as both main parties are committed to voting for it. Everyone who wants to speak will get their chance.
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Old 27.01.2017, 11:00
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The next challenge by Jolyon Maugham, papers to be filed with the High Court in Dublin today!

Can Brexit be revoked? Green Party politicians back Irish High Court legal challenge
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The next challenge by Jolyon Maugham, papers to be filed with the High Court in Dublin today!

Can Brexit be revoked? Green Party politicians back Irish High Court legal challenge
Be it this, or some future challenge, I think Brexit will be reversed. After the Gina Miller thing its the beginning of the end for it.
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Old 27.01.2017, 12:59
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Come on, how much time do you need to debate something this short.
http://www.publications.parliament.u..._en_2.htm#l1g1
They should be able to have the vote on it tomorrow.
This is the most important debate for 100 years and it has been allocated just 3 days...!

After all the alternative facts have been stated, Britain should look upon this as the REAL Brexit debate.

Britain should not rush into another fine mess, as it has done for the past 100 years. It's too late to invest in the "empire", the Chinese are there already.

New markets are not found within just 6 months. The recent boost to the economy after declaring for Brexit is entirely due to the pound devaluing by 20% - ask any industrialist! Soon the rising import prices will be felt everywhere.

Try thinking a bit further than the end of next year: where are the new markets coming from? The world markets are saturated, only price and quality count today, and can Britain compete against China, Japan and the EU? - Of course not! Export prices will have to be slashed, and so will wages.

London will not remain as a world financial center, the EU doesn't like it now, will it really survive after Brexit?

Will EU companies continue to make goods in Britain when they carry an export tariff to the EU? Of course not; the factories will be moved to Poland and Rumania, it doesn't take much work to move a car plant.
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Old 27.01.2017, 13:05
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Be it this, or some future challenge, I think Brexit will be reversed. After the Gina Miller thing its the beginning of the end for it.
Well I think the objective is to get the Irish Supreme Court to refer it to the ECJ.
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Old 27.01.2017, 13:22
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The next challenge by Jolyon Maugham, papers to be filed with the High Court in Dublin today!

Can Brexit be revoked? Green Party politicians back Irish High Court legal challenge
It seems to me that this is not about actually stopping Brexit but about creating a backdoor for possible later re-entry.
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Old 27.01.2017, 13:46
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Well I think the objective is to get the Irish Supreme Court to refer it to the ECJ.
thats just details. from a perspective, the end result of all the challenges and the political workings will be no brexit.
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Old 27.01.2017, 15:34
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This is the most important debate for 100 years and it has been allocated just 3 days...!

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TBH very little to debate, the country voted on a stay / leave question. The decision was leave all very simple even a child should be able to understand the concept.
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Old 27.01.2017, 15:40
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0.6% growth last quarter.

It would have been 28% had Britain voted to remain.

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Old 27.01.2017, 16:49
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0.6% growth last quarter.

It would have been 28% had Britain voted to remain.

And what will it actually be once we've left?
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Old 27.01.2017, 17:04
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TBH very little to debate, the country voted on a stay / leave question. The decision was leave all very simple even a child should be able to understand the concept.
Brexit has two parts: Leaving and the negotiations on what that means money-wise (the UK has certain obligations that need paying) plus what's to come afterwards - EEA or nothing at all, something resembling the Bilaterale, oe whatever. Clearly the latter is worth debating over as it will shape more than just a year or two.
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Old 27.01.2017, 21:17
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0.6% growth last quarter.

It would have been 28% had Britain voted to remain.

Good result.
Lower pound exchange rate and UK is still in the single market.

Meanwhile GDP is sliding down in the USA
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Old 28.01.2017, 01:19
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Trump and May had their press conference today.
Trump got his State visit invitation so he achieved his goal

Did anyone hear any mention of a trade deal
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Old 28.01.2017, 03:55
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Be it this, or some future challenge, I think Brexit will be reversed. After the Gina Miller thing its the beginning of the end for it.
Are you a betting man? Just curious....

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This is the most important debate for 100 years and it has been allocated just 3 days...!
It isn't that important. The House has already voted to invoke A50. The Supreme Court has ruled that we need a parliamentary bill to formalise it. All the Tories will vote for it + nearly all Labour MPs, so the result's a foregone conclusion. Very few Commons debates are "important" in the sense of changing anyone's minds. All 650 MPs already know how they will vote, so why does it need more time? Three days is more than enough to let people rant on one or other side of the argument. After that, they will vote the way they always intended to.

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thats just details. from a perspective, the end result of all the challenges and the political workings will be no brexit.
The UK is leaving the EU. You may not like the idea, but it will happen -- so get used it and work out if, or how, it might affect you -- and prepare accordingly.

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Trump and May had their press conference today.
Trump got his State visit invitation so he achieved his goal Did anyone hear any mention of a trade deal
Yes, a trade deal was mentioned more than once, though no official negotiation is allowed until after we leave the EU, so don't expect any detailed proposals to emerge for a while.
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Old 28.01.2017, 11:47
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Ministers revealed last Thursday that Brexit would involve the UK leaving Euratom, which promotes research into nuclear power and uniform safety standards.

The news poses possible problems for the building of the new Hinkley Point C station in Somerset, if new standalone nuclear cooperation treaties are not negotiated in time.

Although the short-term future of the Joint European Torus, a nuclear fusion research centre in Oxfordshire [currently the largest in Europe], is guaranteed until 2018, the withdrawal from Euratom puts its longer-term future in doubt.

Another unexpected side effect that will involve additional costs and resources.
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I imagine that could only be openly discussed AFTER Britain has exited the EU.
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EU's 38 national and regional parliaments to get post-Brexit trade deal veto

It seems I missed this one over Christmas! The European Court of Justice’s Advocate General, issued a legal opinion ruling that an EU free trade deal with Singapore must be agreed by all member states.

We will have to wait for the court to confirm this, which it most likely will. So it looks like the Parliament of Wallonia will have it's say once again!
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