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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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please explain what's so good about it...
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You think so? Losing a seat Labour has held since it was created 80 years ago?

"Mrs Harrison, who had been joined by Prime Minister Theresa May on the campaign trail, got 44.3% of the vote, increasing the Conservatives' vote share by more than 8%. She overturned a Labour majority of more than 2,564 to take the seat by 2,147 votes - a swing of more than 6%.

Professor John Curtice, of Strathclyde University, said the Copeland result was the best by-election performance by a governing party in terms of the increase in its share of the vote since January 1966."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39064149
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MEP trade committee believes it wil be easier for the EU to conclude a trade deal with India after the UK has left

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Seems the main stumbling blocks have been whisky tariffs and UK visa rules.

I thought there were those on here complaining that the EU didn't let people from former UK colonies in? Seems it's the UK that wants to keep them out.
Same people who are now very vocal on the anti-Trump thread (re. alternative facts)....I admit: I payed attention.

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A global trade agreement worth $1 trillion entered into force on Wednesday, despite President Trump's strong anti-trade rhetoric.

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Read the link?

If UK is unable to do a trade deal with the EU after Brexit and instead has to rely on WTO rules then this Trade Agreement is an improvement on the heretofore situation
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Slightly off topic but tonight I'm sure they'll touch on Brexit at some point.

Somewhere between unmissable TV and wanting to gouge your own eyeballs out...


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Old 24.02.2017, 11:04
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You think so? Losing a seat Labour has held since it was created 80 years ago?

"Mrs Harrison, who had been joined by Prime Minister Theresa May on the campaign trail, got 44.3% of the vote, increasing the Conservatives' vote share by more than 8%. She overturned a Labour majority of more than 2,564 to take the seat by 2,147 votes - a swing of more than 6%.

Professor John Curtice, of Strathclyde University, said the Copeland result was the best by-election performance by a governing party in terms of the increase in its share of the vote since January 1966."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39064149
Quite a smack for UKIP whose share of the vote fell in both, their star is fading now

Surprise that LibDem scored the biggest increase in Stoke (5.67%) and the second biggest in Copeland (3.8%); contrary to the people forecasting they would lose their deposit!

Labour's share fell in both which is surprising for an opposition party around two years after a general election; perhaps not so surprising

Of course the turnout was so poor in Stoke, 36.7%, it is dangerous to draw any firm conclusions.
Turnout: was 51.3% in Copeland.
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Surprise that LibDem scored the biggest increase in Stoke (5.67%) and the second biggest in Copeland (3.8%); contrary to the people forecasting they would lose their deposit!
It's not so surprising - where my mum lives the general sentiment is that LibDems seem to have their sh*t together more than the other parties who are fighting with each other, as well as disputes within their own parties. None of them are coming up with any kind of action plan whereas the LibDems are quietly mopping up the voters, taking advantage of the other parties' chaos.
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Read the link?

If UK is unable to do a trade deal with the EU after Brexit and instead has to rely on WTO rules then this Trade Agreement is an improvement on the heretofore situation
I read the link. Ted Turner and chums would like us to think it'a good thing, but i'm not buying it.

http://www.ase.tufts.edu/gdae/Pubs/r...rtainGains.pdf

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...431402983.html

https://www.theguardian.com/business...lks-doha-round


"The WTO said the world's least developed countries will be gaining the most."

lol, they'll see a slight improvement, becoming completely dependent and then driven into crippling debt.
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Old 26.02.2017, 01:10
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Irish leader calls for united Ireland provision in Brexit deal
Enda Kenny says deal should allow for Northern Ireland to rejoin EU should it be united with Irish Republic

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Would be the most sensible solution; nobody wants a "hard" border in Ireland between the two states
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Would be the most sensible solution; nobody wants a "hard" border in Ireland between the two states
But will never happen.
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Old 26.02.2017, 10:34
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But will never happen.
I agree. Do the Irish really want to take on Northern Ireland's social security bill? It would be a bit like a rerun of Germany reunification.

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I agree. Do the Irish really want to take on Northern Ireland's social security bill? It would be a bit like a rerun of Germany reunification.
I was thinking more of the bad blood between the two sides, but yes that too.

Frankly this is just Ireland spouting nonsense for no reason. IF by some miracle Northern Ireland did join with the republic then surely it would automatically be part of the EU again. So no need for a clause to say so.
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I was thinking more of the bad blood between the two sides, but yes that too.

Frankly this is just Ireland spouting nonsense for no reason. IF by some miracle Northern Ireland did join with the republic then surely it would automatically be part of the EU again. So no need for a clause to say so.
I would not say "no reason" I assume this is a clever ploy by Kenny to gain some leverage during the Brexit negotiations and so obtain some benefits; we will have to wait and see exactly what he wants!
Same for Spain re. Gibralter!
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But will never happen.
There are a lot of things about NI that I never imagined:
- Gerry Adams sitting in Dáil Éireann
- Ian Paisley and Marin McGuinness cracking jokes with each other
- Martin McGuinness shaking hands with the Queen
- An Irish COS taking the guard of honour at Buckingham Palace
- The Queen laying a wreath at the Garden of Remembrance
- A British military band taking commands in Gaelic

It is still hard to imagine... but the peace dividends are many despite all the noise and much of the business community in NI (which is unionist) has done very well out of the EU and access to Irish markets. Plus of course the simple fact that people can go about there business without getting shot or blown up!

When people like Ian Paisley Jnr., starts advising constituents to apply for Irish passports, you should expect the unthinkable.
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I agree. Do the Irish really want to take on Northern Ireland's social security bill?
Of course not, they cannot get tax payers to pay for water, never mind pay for NI! But that is not what it is about! It's about the checks and balances that keep a lid on NI and one of those is the clearly stated commitment to a united Ireland at some stage in the future.

A clear commitment to a united Ireland means the Unionists can't claim to have won, just as the Queen laying a wreath in the Garden of Remembrance means that the republicans cannot claim that their traditions are being ignored or belittled.

It is very unlikely that Kenny will still be in power by the time the negotiations begin let alone end.
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For those who appear to believe the UK will have a fairer, less biased, immigration scheme after Brexit have a look at this

Imagine the outcry on here if Switzerland ever did something like that.
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Would they?

"Clennell was given indefinite leave to remain in the UK after marrying John in 1990 but spent periods back in Singapore caring for her parents before they died.

The government’s spousal visa system requires the British partner to prove earnings of at least £18,600 and the couple being able to show long stretches of uninterrupted time living in the UK.

Clennell lost her leave to remain as the time she spent out of the country when her parents were dying was too long. She has made repeated attempts – in Singapore and back in the UK – to reapply for permission to live with her husband.

Her last visitor visa expired last year and she was sent to a detention centre in Scotland after a routine appointment with immigration service in mid-January."

If she lived in Switzerland and was married to a Swiss national, but still stayed out of the country too long a) her permit would probably become invalid under the 6 month rule and b) she would have to apply for family reunification all over again. There has to be a limit to these things and the article says she has a sister in Singapore - so why wasn't she looking after the parents the Swiss authorities would ask. I expect the British did too.

She has also it seems overstayed her last visitor visa which ran out in December last year.

She knew the rules and didn't abide by them. She's also been in the UK long enough to apply for British citizenship which would have solved the problem - unless she's really spent more time out than in since her marriage.

I was told by passport control at Dover years ago when I was travelling back to the UK on my American passport that even though I was married to a British national I would lose my right to reside there. So I promptly applied for a new British passport which I had let lapse a few years earlier.
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For those who appear to believe the UK will have a fairer, less biased, immigration scheme after Brexit have a look at this

Imagine the outcry on here if Switzerland ever did something like that.
Of course she should have followed the rules etc, but the rules are completely unfair and inhuman.
What the hell is wrong with the people running the UK these days?
I hope Sturgeon gets Scotland out.
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A clear commitment to a united Ireland means the Unionists can't claim to have won, just as the Queen laying a wreath in the Garden of Remembrance means that the republicans cannot claim that their traditions are being ignored or belittled.
Isn't "winning" a moving target here?

If a united Ireland would enshrine some articles in their constitution that made some concessions to the Unionists and guaranteed that some of their existing structures continued to exist, that could still be sold as a victory by the Unionists. No? Probably both sides would hail such a deal as a victory.It's all down to good brinkmanship.
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An article from the BBC about Brits who are rushing to get German citizenship.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-39082468

I wonder how they're going to feel when the UK leaves the EU and they have to give up their British citizenship to remain German. Bet none of them have even realised that yet.
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