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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Italy has a nasty problem with employing cheap workforce they exploit and was numerous times warned by EU that they will have their funds cut, to no avail, apparently.
I would say EU is not such a bad thing for Southerners, actually. If we want to look for victims, we should defo look somewhere else.


Never, ever, heard about it. Exploiting cheap workforce?
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I absolutely agree with everything in your post bar this...
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This idea that somehow the British have suddenly become racist as a result of voting for Brexit is nonsense. Quite honestly, you'd have to be very white and very middle class to believe that. Racism and xenophobia have always been there.
Compared to Birmingham, my home town was very insular, very white and very working class. The only people who didn't fit that stereotype when I was a kid were first generation doctors and solicitors, etc, not working class recent immigrants. It was going to matches at Villa and West Brom in my early teens that were a real eye opener.

My high school had 1,500 kids, including 1 black kid and 3 kids with one black parent. We always knew that there were a considerable number of racists knocking about but it was bubbling under. The local branch of the BNP was disowned by the rest for being too extreme. But what I've experienced is people saying stuff to my face that I seriously doubt they'd have had the bollocks to say 3yrs ago, but now they dress it up as Brexit even though they know precious little of any of the other reasons that people voted leave.
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Old 31.03.2017, 13:50
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So thanks to Brexit you know whom to avoid talking to.
Before Brexit they were oppressing their true feelings.
I'd rather know the racists for racists than see a facade of political correctness.
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The misquote is even worse:

"I am determined, as is the Government, to do everything to preserve everything that we have worked for and that we believe in … by using all necessary means to fend off the hostile (bid)."

which makes it clear that it's about some takeover bid. The takover bid for Arcelor in 2006, to be precise.
He's still the embodiment of brandy-soaked evil. You have to read the complete quote to see the real truth:

"I am determined, as is the Government, to do everything to preserve everything that we have worked for and that we believe in … by using all necessary means to fend off the hostile (bid). Now, gentlemen: who would care to join me in the orgiastic ceremony in honour of our Worshipful Overlord downstairs in the Monnet Bar? Virgins provided, just bring your own candles..."
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Old 31.03.2017, 14:14
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He's still the embodiment of brandy-soaked evil. You have to read the complete quote to see the real truth:

"I am determined, as is the Government, to do everything to preserve everything that we have worked for and that we believe in … by using all necessary means to fend off the hostile (bid). Now, gentlemen: who would care to join me in the orgiastic ceremony in honour of our Worshipful Overlord downstairs in the Monnet Bar? Virgins provided, just bring your own candles..."
That may be, who knows. What I have a problem with is your misquoting to an extent that is quite unlikely to be an honest mistake.

Btw, he was indeed leading a government until December 2013. Which of your quotes where he acts as if leading a government were spoken afterwards?

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In all fairness, it is a miracle that UK has ever agreed to be part of this project so far. I just don't think it fits them. (I might be wrong of course, it's just my impression)
As for EU...it really needs some reforms too imo.
Very good points and I agree.

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Why is inheritance related to passports?
In Croatia it's the law, apparently. As for Greece, you'd know better than me. I don't stick my nose into that side of my OH's business. There's land in Elika and property in Athens, but each of the brother's got different plots of land in different places like Aegina, Crete, etc...and that's when I go and take the dogs for a walk because I believe it's his family's business, not mine.
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Old 31.03.2017, 14:21
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He's still the embodiment of brandy-soaked evil. You have to read the complete quote to see the real truth:

"I am determined, as is the Government, to do everything to preserve everything that we have worked for and that we believe in … by using all necessary means to fend off the hostile (bid). Now, gentlemen: who would care to join me in the orgiastic ceremony in honour of our Worshipful Overlord downstairs in the Monnet Bar? Virgins provided, just bring your own candles..."
If you put it like that....I'm in....
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That may be, who knows. What I have a problem with is your misquoting to an extent that is quite unlikely to be an honest mistake.

Btw, he was indeed leading a government until December 2013. Which of your quotes where he acts as if leading a government were spoken afterwards?
How should I know? I'm just trying to win at internets!
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Old 31.03.2017, 14:53
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How should I know? I'm just trying to win at internets!
I think if you just take the first 7 or 8 on wikiquotes without looking into them or wondering about the motives of whoever put them on there in the first place - you loose.
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I think if you just take the first 7 or 8 on wikiquotes without looking into them or wondering about the motives of whoever put them on there in the first place - you loose.
I wonder if I'd get away with adding a couple more?
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Ha! Found another one!


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In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the European Union will be reorganized into the first Europanic Empire, for a safe and secure society which I assure you will last for ten thousand years.
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Ha! Found another one!
"What's Europanic"?
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Old 31.03.2017, 15:04
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"What's Europanic"?
A mental state that most of the remainers are in
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If you put it like that....I'm in....
You realise, don't you, that those virgins down in the bar are all elderly nuns who look like Juncker and Schulz, with beards..
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You realise, don't you, that those virgins down in the bar are all elderly nuns who look like Juncker and Schulz, with beards..
They are all nubile 20 year olds. Now stop trying to break my concentration.
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A mental state that most of the remainers are in
That's what you get when you hear these plonkers plonking:

https://www.facebook.com/theguardian...9537764233990/

because, well, yes- it is more complex than a boiled egg indeed- and the goalposts keep changing ...


Richdog- it's totally mutual, so that's good hey.
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He's still the embodiment of brandy-soaked evil. You have to read the complete quote to see the real truth:

"I am determined, as is the Government, to do everything to preserve everything that we have worked for and that we believe in … by using all necessary means to fend off the hostile (bid). Now, gentlemen: who would care to join me in the orgiastic ceremony in honour of our Worshipful Overlord downstairs in the Monnet Bar? Virgins provided, just bring your own candles..."
If it will be orgiastic then I pass on the candles
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You mean British people. As far as I know there was no other similar referendum so far.
and therein lies the EU's credibility gap.

If they couild win just one referendum in just one country, they might be able to talk about some sort of legitimacy.

And there may be a reason they don't want to test those waters.

Think about it. Not even in Luxembourg.

And until they take that test, the score stands at against-EU : 1, pro-EU: 0

Not exactly anything to be proud of.
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and therein lies the EU's credibility gap.

If they could win just one referendum in just one country, they might be able to talk about some sort of legitimacy.

And there may be a reason they don't want to test those waters.

Think about it. Not even in Luxembourg.

And until they take that test, the score stands at against-EU : 1, pro-EU: 0

Not exactly anything to be proud of.
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  • Croatia — Croatian European Union membership referendum, 2012, 22 January 2012, 66.7% in favour, turnout 43.5%
  • Ireland — a referendum to approve the Twenty-eighth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland, 2 October 2009, 67.1% in favour, turnout 59.0%
  • Luxembourg — Luxembourgian European Constitution referendum, 2005, 10 July 2005, 56.5% in favour, turnout 90.4%
  • Spain — Spanish European Constitution referendum, 2005, 20 February 2005, 81.8% in favour, turnout 41.8%
  • Malta — Maltese European Union membership referendum, 2003, 8 March 2003, 53.6% in favour, turnout 90.9%
  • Slovenia — Slovenian European Union and NATO membership referendum, 2003, 23 March 2003, 89.6% in favour, turnout 60.2%
  • Hungary — Hungarian European Union membership referendum, 2003, 12 April 2003, 83.8% in favour, turnout 45.6%
  • Lithuania — Lithuanian European Union membership referendum, 2003, 10–11 May 2003, 91.9% in favour, turnout 63.4%
  • Slovakia — Slovak European Union membership referendum, 2003, 16–17 May 2003, 93.7% in favour, turnout 52.1%
  • Poland — Polish European Union membership referendum, 2003, 7–8 June 2003, 77.5% in favour, turnout 58.9%
  • Czech Republic — Czech European Union membership referendum, 2003, 13–14 June 2003, 77.3% in favour, turnout 55.2%
  • Estonia — Estonian European Union membership referendum, 2003, 14 September 2003, 66.8% in favour, turnout 64.1%
  • Latvia — Latvian European Union membership referendum, 2003, 20 September 2003, 67.5% in favour, turnout 71.5%
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If they couild win just one referendum in just one country
They all seem to be quite a way back though.

I wonder how many re-runs they could win today?

But I guess it's only the referendums they lose that get to be repeated.
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