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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Indeed- so how but how can you 'take back control' -

when you have deliberately thrown/sold it away.

I am absolutely sure how EU partners (!?) are fully aware that in case of unsolved conflict- they do have us over that proverbial barrel- biggly.
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Indeed- so how but how can you 'take back control' -

when you have deliberately thrown/sold it away.

I am absolutely sure how EU partners (!?) are fully aware that in case of unsolved conflict- they do have us over that proverbial barrel- biggly.
That's relatively easy to do:
Make a law that mandates nationalisation. The big question is the price, of course. Another problem may be international treaties that prohibit such, such as TTIP. But hey, where's a will there's a way, just cancel whichever international treaty is in your way.

See for instance Venezuela which nationalized many major industries under Chavez, case in point the nationalisation of and payment for Lafarge's plants.
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Old 08.04.2017, 21:11
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That's relatively easy to do:
Make a law that mandates nationalisation. The big question is the price, of course. Another problem may be international treaties that prohibit such, such as TTIP. But hey, where's a will there's a way, just cancel whichever international treaty is in your way.

See for instance Venezuela which nationalized many major industries under Chavez, case in point the nationalisation of and payment for Lafarge's plants.
Well price is certainly one thing but I doubt the Brexiteers would be happy to see any EU savings spent on re nationalisation versus improving the NHS!

Venezuela is still facing some twenty court cases against forced nationalisation

Chavez/Venezuela paid billions to settle some cases like Holcim and ExxonMobil.
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So, other Europeans and non EU countries own our airports and trains- this is a good article from the Economist about the likely effect on Dover and Folkestone:

http://www.economist.com/news/britai...sitdoversdocks
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Old 09.04.2017, 23:44
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However it is great to know Brexiteers have their top priorities absolutely spot on to save the UK:

https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...b3&oe=59905D7D


pheeew hmmm
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Old 10.04.2017, 09:31
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However it is great to know Brexiteers have their top priorities absolutely spot on to save the UK:

https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...b3&oe=59905D7D


pheeew hmmm
Yes, only 2 from 7 are above 50%. I think I understand now why you can't accept the referendum result.
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Yes, only 2 from 7 are above 50%. I think I understand now why you can't accept the referendum result.


Some of the priorities below 50% are high and ludicrous enough to make one's ponder, though.
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Old 10.04.2017, 11:07
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So, other Europeans and non EU countries own our airports and trains- this is a good article from the Economist about the likely effect on Dover and Folkestone:

http://www.economist.com/news/britai...sitdoversdocks
Not sure what you are trying to imply here.

So what if Deutsche Bahn, which is a subsidiary of the German government, owns some trains in the UK.

They own those trains with the mission of running them profitably while fulfilling contractual obligations. Do you honestly think that Mrs Merkel, out of some spasm of revenge seeking, would tell Deutsche Bahn to run those assets into the ground out of pure spite?

It's stories like this that show the level of delusions some remianers have reached over Brexit.
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Old 10.04.2017, 12:06
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Not sure what you are trying to imply here.

So what if Deutsche Bahn, which is a subsidiary of the German government, owns some trains in the UK.

They own those trains with the mission of running them profitably while fulfilling contractual obligations. Do you honestly think that Mrs Merkel, out of some spasm of revenge seeking, would tell Deutsche Bahn to run those assets into the ground out of pure spite?

It's stories like this that show the level of delusions some remianers have reached over Brexit.
Your right DB will run the trains in the best interests of DB, but that may not be in the best interests of the general public.
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So what if Deutsche Bahn, which is a subsidiary of the German government, owns some trains in the UK.
It's far bigger than that, but I don't see the current state of affairs r.e. rail transport, changing any time soon. I just see it as another factor that's up in the air, and will remain so for many years to come.

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Yet many of Britain’s rail franchises are already owned and operated by state-owned companies – from Germany, the Netherlands and France. Through a complex web of international subsidiaries, both state-owned and majority state-owned railway companies are operating millions of rail journeys across Britain.

And the profits are flowing back to their countries, funding public transport and spending across Europe. Here are the top-performing foreign state-owned franchises on Britain’s rail network…
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015...n_8003970.html
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Some of the priorities below 50% are high and ludicrous enough to make one's ponder, though.
hmm and the ones about 50% even more so, no?

Very indicative of the mindset indeed of a large % of Brexiteers- however you analyse it.
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Your right DB will run the trains in the best interests of DB, but that may not be in the best interests of the general public.
Internal trains perhaps not our worst risk here. International airports, and all essential utilities, like electricity, including nuclear plants, gas, water - a bit more so I'd say. Yes, the foreign owners want to run those businesses with the highest proft- which has said above is not necessarily in the bet interest of the UK inhabitants- but in an international crisis ?
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Internal trains perhaps not our worst risk here.
Hmmm... I'm inclined to disagree there. There's already been at least one route closed down in the Midlands because the foreign train company operating it weren't making enough profit. The majority of commuter routes are operated by European rail companies, and my 8yrs experience of commuting on Northern Rail - which is owned by Arriva (France) - is diabolical. If memory serves me correctly, DB operate a large percentage of the overnight cargo routes across the UK. I used to deal a lot with DB's London office, and we often chatted about different operators.

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International airports, and all essential utilities, like electricity, including nuclear plants, gas, water - a bit more so I'd say. Yes, the foreign owners want to run those businesses with the highest proft- which has said above is not necessarily in the bet interest of the UK inhabitants- but in an international crisis ?
In an ideal World where all countries are equal, I would say that each country should have sole ownership of it's fuel supply, food supply, transport and security. However, we don't live in an ideal World.

4 April 2017
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French firm Engie backs out of Moorside nuclear plant venture
http://news.sky.com/story/french-fir...nture-10824833

This morning...
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Le Pen Would Seek to Pull EDF Out of U.K.’s Hinkley Project
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...inkley-project

Whilst some will see it as great that foreign companies are casting ownership back to British companies, the question is, can Britain afford and shoulder this level of financial withdrawal?
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Your right DB will run the trains in the best interests of DB, but that may not be in the best interests of the general public.
Which is more or less what they are already doing. This is why there are contracts and targets in place that are enforced by bonus malus payments. Of course operators always seek ways of circumventing those, just as the franchiser seeks to tighten the rules to prevent that, but again, this is not restricted to foreign owned-owned companies.

I don't see how a post Brext scenario would induce them to screw the passenger or franchiser any more than they already do now.
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Le Pen Would Seek to Pull EDF Out of U.K.’s Hinkley Project
Cough cough.

There are people out there (or so I have heard) who wouldn't necessarily see a U-turn on the Hinkley Point project as negative.

Just saying.
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I don't see how a post Brext scenario would induce them to screw the passenger or franchiser any more than they already do now.
My concern is that they might be put in the position where they have to pull the plug on their UK operations. We shall wait and see...

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Cough cough.

There are people out there (or so I have heard) who wouldn't necessarily see a U-turn on the Hinkley Point project as negative.
Absolutely, but this only reinforces my suspicion that companies may be forced to pull the plug by political leaders in both the UK and their home nations.
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Internal trains perhaps not our worst risk here. International airports, and all essential utilities, like electricity, including nuclear plants, gas, water - a bit more so I'd say. Yes, the foreign owners want to run those businesses with the highest proft- which has said above is not necessarily in the bet interest of the UK inhabitants- but in an international crisis ?
You do realize that the EU is preventing the UK government from taking a more proactive role in regulating utilities?

Without the EU on our backs, we could decide for ourselves where we want the government to regulate and control things, and where we want the free market to play. And indeed we wouldn't need to ask anybody's permission if we realized things weren't working as intended and we needed to change policies.

This is why people like Corbyn failed to commit to a strong pro remain message.
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My concern is that they might be put in the position where they have to pull the plug on their UK operations. We shall wait and see...

Absolutely, but this only reinforces my suspicion that companies may be forced to pull the plug by political leaders in both the UK and their home nations.
But the franchise agreement does have an exit clause and which lays down precisely what would have to be done. It wouldn't be the first time a train company terminated a franchise prematurely.
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You do realize that the EU is preventing the UK government from taking a more proactive role in regulating utilities?

Without the EU on our backs, we could decide for ourselves where we want the government to regulate and control things, and where we want the free market to play. And indeed we wouldn't need to ask anybody's permission if we realized things weren't working as intended and we needed to change policies.

This is why people like Corbyn failed to commit to a strong pro remain message.


Because we have seen over the past two decades how much money various British governments have invested in the railway system (bugger all!) but sold off to so many private companies that the U.K. has now one of the most complex, expensive and users unfriendly system in Europe. At the same time, other fabrics of society like British Railway Staff Association Clubs closed down one after the other (not profitable enough, used to survive on subsidies, kept whole communities together)


I don't see France or Germany blaming the EU for interfering with their decisions on how their public transport systems operate.


When a British Government screws up or plans a nice little scheme to get their fat cat mates even richer, they always find the EU a nice little "distractor" and scapegoat for their failings. Soon, they'll have to own up to everything they mess up, no one will be left to blame!
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You do realize that the EU is preventing the UK government from taking a more proactive role in regulating utilities?
And you conveniently ignore the fact that the elected government agreed to it, if they did not they could have gone for their usual trick of an opt out, or a veto etc... And if the British electorate was not happy about it then they should have voted out the government.

Blaming the EU for the failings of the British government and the British electorate is very boring. That fact the the regulations etc.. remain in place suggests that most other states have figured it out.
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