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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 14.06.2017, 11:15
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Prime Minister Theresa May appointed a leading Brexit campaigner, Steve Baker, as a junior minister for exiting the European Union after her team of officials working on the negotiations was thrown into turmoil just a week before talks begin.

In a shakeup following last week’s election fiasco, May fired the Brexit-supporting David Jones from her ministerial team, while George Bridges, who steered legislation through the upper house of Parliament, quit.

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Some commentators see this appointment as hard Brexit confirmation while others see it as confirmation of the ongoing Tory chaos.
Certainly two experienced junior Ministers leaving the Ministry for exiting the European Union just days before formal negotiations are due to start is not funny!
This is Steve Bake's first Government job so the poor sod is really thrown into the deep end
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Old 14.06.2017, 13:25
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Is this the word you had in your mind?
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Old 15.06.2017, 14:22
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Brexit News

Retail sales volumes fell to a worse-than-expected 0.9% annual consumer spending growth in May; to levels last seen in 2013.

Annual rate of inflation over the last year to 2.9% in May

Britain is experiencing a rapid decline in living standards with the biggest squeeze in workers’ pay since 2014, according to the latest official data. Regular pay adjusted to account for the impact of inflation fell by 0.6% year on year in the three months to April.

Economists are predicting the pay squeeze will accelerate in the coming months, with inflation likely to rise above 3% and as firms limit pay rises as their own costs rise and the economy weakens.

Good News!
The unemployment rate was unchanged at a 42-year low of 4.6% and the number of unemployed people fell by 50,000 to 1.53 million.
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Old 15.06.2017, 14:36
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The official start of Brexit negotiations is Monday 19th June.

The Queens Speech marks the start of the Parliamentary year and the official start of the new UK Government but this will be two days later on Wednesday 21st June.

Shambolic ain't it

Edit: And in the unlikely event the DUP vote against the Queens Speech then the Govt. will be gone!
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Old 15.06.2017, 16:17
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And in the unlikely event the DUP vote against the Queens Speech then the Govt. will be gone!
Oh as long as TM, pumps enough money into NI healthcare, farm subsidies, education and ensures that direct rule is introduced, so that Arlene Foster is never held accountable for her actions, they'll happily queue up to vote for the tories, at least for a few months.
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Old 17.06.2017, 17:14
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Do you feel that the UK could end up joining the EEA now that May has lost her mandate for hard Brexit?
I see many people on my twitter feed promoting this idea.

To me it sounds like the worst idea ever. The contribution's to the EU budget would be very close to what the UK is paying today, thanks to the famous rebates it has in place, and additionally it would lose its voting rights.
It is one thing if you are tiny Norway (in terms of population) with your vote counting for so little and another thing if you are a country with the size and the voting rights of the UK, that can rally a few more countries and block some decisions.
I think that the EEA options would be completely stupid.
The UK has to decide if it wants to stay in the EU, keep its special status and exceptions, or get out completely.
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Old 17.06.2017, 17:34
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Um, we already did. We voted LEAVE!

For me that means no soft exit, no EEA status. We start afresh with the EU and the rest of the world.
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Old 17.06.2017, 17:58
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Um, we already did. We voted LEAVE!

For me that means no soft exit, no EEA status. We start afresh with the EU and the rest of the world.
I really hope so.
Still the Remainers on Twitter look quite optimistic these days, hence the question.
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Old 17.06.2017, 18:24
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They always have. They can't believe they have to give up everything so hope for the single market without having the others. Sorry, but ain't going to happen. It's a hard Brexit with or without a deal. Problem is most UK political leaders think they can too, only May realises it's not on as the EU has made clear repeatedly.
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Old 17.06.2017, 18:39
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Um, we already did. We voted LEAVE!

For me that means no soft exit, no EEA status. We start afresh with the EU and the rest of the world.
Please leave out the "We".

Back to May 2016 on this one, Expats not allowed to vote in Brexit Referendum

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Those living abroad for more than 15 years are deemed to no longer have a "closeness of connection" to the UK to justify giving them a vote.

More than two million British expats will be affected by the Supreme Court's decision.
I'll put my case simply. I should be retiring in a few years' time, and I was looking forward to having a choice of where in the EU to retire to. If that choice turns out to be "UK or UK" I will be severely pissed off.

Like the court says, I have insufficient "closeness of connection to the UK" to wish to retire there.
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Old 17.06.2017, 18:43
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I'll put my case simply. I should be retiring in a few years' time, and I was looking forward to having a choice of where in the EU to retire to. If that choice turns out to be "UK or UK" I will be severely pissed off.
I don't think that any EU country would mind you moving there with your pension.
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Old 17.06.2017, 19:38
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I don't think that any EU country would mind you moving there with your pension.
The healthcare costs though could be a determining issue...
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Old 17.06.2017, 19:48
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Please leave out the "We".

Back to May 2016 on this one, Expats not allowed to vote in Brexit Referendum



I'll put my case simply. I should be retiring in a few years' time, and I was looking forward to having a choice of where in the EU to retire to. If that choice turns out to be "UK or UK" I will be severely pissed off.

Like the court says, I have insufficient "closeness of connection to the UK" to wish to retire there.
I agree pdofr, I was extremely annoyed that the government didn't fast track the law to repeal the 15 year limit for voters abroad. If I could have I would have voted Leave, but wasn't allowed to.
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Old 17.06.2017, 19:55
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The healthcare costs though could be a determining issue...
With the UK out of the EU, I would expect no health care being offered for free to new movers.

However, in Germany when you move here and you don't work, you can pay something like 300-400 €/mth (which can be totally wrong, as I am not in this category) and have full access to the all-free state-regulated scheme. So I suppose in Spain it would be the same or cheaper?

To be honest, I cannot imagine the Spanish government putting obstacles to British pensioners moving there.
I am sure they will work out a formula where they pay something reasonable (like the above mentioned 400 €/mth) in exchange for full healthcare for the rest of their life. In any event, they would spend much more money in the Spanish economy by moving there.
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i agree pdofr, i was extremely annoyed that the government didn't fast track the law to repeal the 15 year limit for voters abroad. If i could have i would have voted leave, but wasn't allowed to.
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Um, we already did. We voted LEAVE!

For me that means no soft exit, no EEA status. We start afresh with the EU and the rest of the world.
And you speak for all leave voters, do you?
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I certainly hope so!
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Do you feel that the UK could end up joining the EEA now that May has lost her mandate for hard Brexit?
I see many people on my twitter feed promoting this idea.
Who gave May a mandate for a hard Brexit anyway?

It seems to me that it was her idea and her idea alone.
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Old 17.06.2017, 22:52
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To be honest, I cannot imagine the Spanish government putting obstacles to British pensioners moving there.
I am sure they will work out a formula where they pay something reasonable (like the above mentioned 400 €/mth) in exchange for full healthcare for the rest of their life. In any event, they would spend much more money in the Spanish economy by moving there.
Except that would represent an agreement with a third country which does not fall within the competence of Spain's government! It will have to be dealt with under the exit agreement if at all.
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Old 17.06.2017, 22:59
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Do you feel that the UK could end up joining the EEA now that May has lost her mandate for hard Brexit?
I see many people on my twitter feed promoting this idea.
Access to the EEA is via membership of either EFTA or the EU and Norway seem to have some reservations about the U.K. joining EFTA.
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