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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 20.07.2017, 15:22
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There are 80 odd UK negotiators in Brussels divided into a number of teams negotiating on several different issues.
And yet we are waiting to see a single detailed position paper in answer to the EU side...
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Old 20.07.2017, 15:32
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Apparently the main advisor to the UK government on BREXIT is the Legatum Institute, now if this is true, then the behaviour we are seen is not surprising, because these guys have no interest in a deal!

The main idea of the institute, is to creation of a “prosperity zone” between the UK, Australia, New Zealand and Singapore, eventually extended to the US, Canada and Mexico. Financial services in exchange for food!

Picking a group of advisor with no EU experience would be par for the course.
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Old 20.07.2017, 15:37
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I have never said the negotiations are on track. Jim said the UK is not even remotely close to the detailed position papers that are expected at this stage, and that the UK is way behind. I don't believe this is the case. There are 80 odd UK negotiators in Brussels divided into a number of teams negotiating on several different issues. This is a process and neither side has shown their hand so far. All we have to go on is the odd soundbite.
Au contraire; many EU position papers are here.
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When is the next round?
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Tory leadership contenders
David Davis and Liam Fox are elated at first weeks of EU talks
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Old 20.07.2017, 22:59
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Citi plans EU broker-dealer in Frankfurt after Brexit.

"We plan to convert an existing German subsidiary into an investment firm (broker-dealer). Frankfurt is our first choice for headquartering our EU broker-dealer based on the existing infrastructure, and the people and expertise we already have on the ground," Jim Cowles, Citi's head of Europe, Middle East and Africa, said in a memo to staff.

The memo said private banking, treasury and trade solutions, corporate and investment banking, and capital markets could all be affected by the fallout from Brexit.

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Nigel Farage should be leading the EU talks, he bottled out when he had an opportunity but he was a conservative once, he could be again.

#Brexit needs a maverick like Farage, not a May that may or May not!
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Nigel Farage should be leading the EU talks, he bottled out when he had an opportunity but he was a conservative once, he could be again.

#Brexit needs a maverick like Farage, not a May that may or May not!
Right, just what the U.K. needs now! Another politician who puts his own interests before that of his country. The British people deserve better.
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Old 21.07.2017, 10:06
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Nigel Farage should be leading the EU talks, he bottled out when he had an opportunity but he was a conservative once, he could be again.

#Brexit needs a maverick like Farage, not a May that may or May not!
Doubt he will give up his MEP salary and benefits
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Right, just what the U.K. needs now! Another politician who puts his own interests before that of his country. The British people deserve better.
Name one politician that hasn't except Mr DJ Trump
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Old 21.07.2017, 11:36
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Au contraire; many EU position papers are here.
Snap. But position papers are not sides showing their full hands in negotiations.
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Name one politician that hasn't except Mr DJ Trump
I do enjoy a good troll on a Friday.
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It appears so
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Snap. But position papers are not sides showing their full hands in negotiations.
So that's the UK's position on ongoing trials before the ECJ and on nuclear materials, privileges and immunities, and on citizens living abroad.

That's just a fraction of all topics.

The most crucial one, whether the UK accepts having liabilies to the EU arising, among other things, from decisions taken while it was a member, isn't even touched. Without material concession everything else is moot.
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Right, just what the U.K. needs now! Another politician who puts his own interests before that of his country. The British people deserve better.
No they don't.
They voted for Cameron in 2015.
If they deserved better they would have voted for Miliband.
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Old 21.07.2017, 13:14
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Snap. But position papers are not sides showing their full hands in negotiations.
Not even close... and from the coming of cabinet it is doubtful they can even agree a position let alone produce a paper.

I think the plan was to turn in Brussels, do a bit of foot stamping, then accept whatever was on offer and have the votes at home to force it through parliament even allowing for defectors. But the GE put an end to that idea.
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So that's the UK's position on ongoing trials before the ECJ and on nuclear materials, privileges and immunities, and on citizens living abroad.

That's just a fraction of all topics.

The most crucial one, whether the UK accepts having liabilies to the EU arising, among other things, from decisions taken while it was a member, isn't even touched. Without material concession everything else is moot.
The UK not publishing a paper on the Brexit bill shows sound tactics on behalf of the UK negotiators. The UK know that this is their strongest hand and what will cause most headaches for the EU (there's a huge EU budget hole that needs filling remember). Carefully making concessions on the financial settlement will allow the UK to get concessions out of the EU. This would not be possible if the UK showed its hand from the off.

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The UK not publishing a paper on the Brexit bill is shows sound tactics on behalf of the UK negotiators. The UK know that this is their strongest hand and what will cause most headaches for the EU (there's a huge EU budget hole that needs filling remember). Carefully making concessions on the financial settlement will allow the UK to get concessions out of the EU. This would not be possible if the UK showed its hand from the off.
Yes, I'm surprised the Eu thinks it can jump in at the deep end and talk about costs first before laying out what the UK is getting for that money.

When I go into a kitchen showroom the salesman first shows me all the nice stuff and tries to make me enthusiastic about what i can do with it and then, in a second phase, when we start talkling money I realize I need to scale back my ambitions.

If he started off by saying what I need to spend and refuses to talk anything else until I agree to the sum, I'd probably walk out.

But maybe that's what the EU wants.
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Yes, I'm surprised the Eu thinks it can jump in at the deep end and talk about costs first before laying out what the UK is getting for that money.

When I go into a kitchen showroom the salesman first shows me all the nice stuff and tries to make me enthusiastic about what i can do with it and then, in a second phase, when we start talkling money I realize I need to scale back my ambitions.

If he started off by saying what I need to spend and refuses to talk anything else until I agree to the sum, I'd probably walk out.

But maybe that's what the EU wants.
Yes, and from the paper the EU released, notably absent was any mention of the UK's share of EU assets.

What is certainly is true is that the UK is far more prepared for these negotiations than the anti Brexit press will give them credit for.
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Yes, I'm surprised the Eu thinks it can jump in at the deep end and talk about costs first before laying out what the UK is getting for that money.
And if you actually paid attention you'd know that the objective was to agree a method of calculating the amount. And at this point what is needed is feedback from the UK side on that method.
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