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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 03.08.2017, 16:22
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I think it might be tricky to drive into Britain through Gatwick, unless Elon Musk has been secretly using his boring machine for years!
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Old 03.08.2017, 16:36
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And are you absolutely sure that that has nothing to do with Brexit? At the end of the day, the UK being an isolated island - EU countries can and possibly will, make things very difficult for those wanting to come in AND out, and for things too- both ways.
If they want to flex their muscles - Schengen or no Schengen ...

Trust the French for sure ...

And wait till border controls move back to the very narrow strip in Dover- stuck between the White Cliffs and the Channel, with no-where to go.
Do you really believe that Brits only fly out of the UK.
You do realise that Britain buys more Audi's than Japan & the USA combined, sure the Germans will flex their muscles as they need to sell their cars which many non EU countries don't bother buying.
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Old 03.08.2017, 16:44
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Do you really believe that Brits only fly out of the UK.
You do realise that Britain buys more Audi's than Japan & the USA combined, sure the Germans will flex their muscles as they need to sell their cars which many non EU countries don't bother buying.
Yes, and let's not talk about the French wine market, or the Spanish tourism market. These people are not going to sit back and watch their business being sacrificed so that some bureaucrats in Brussels can exact revenge on the UK or please Odile's Britophobe fantasies.
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Old 03.08.2017, 17:03
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Yes, and let's not talk about the French wine market, or the Spanish tourism market. These people are not going to sit back and watch their business being sacrificed so that some bureaucrats in Brussels can exact revenge on the UK or please Odile's Britophobe fantasies.
I suppose the difference with the well made cars, sunny holidays, and nice wines is that there aren't really credible British alternatives, so they will still get imported by people (or visited in the case of hols), it will just cost them more.

Or people will go to Margate with a bottle of Buckie in an old Rover 100...don't see that happening though
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Old 03.08.2017, 17:11
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I suppose the difference with the well made cars, sunny holidays, and nice wines is that there aren't really credible British alternatives, so they will still get imported by people (or visited in the case of hols), it will just cost them more.

Or people will go to Margate with a bottle of Buckie in an old Rover 100...don't see that happening though
What you consider a qualty car or a good vacation is to some extent a question of perspective and what the afforable alternatives are. So that may well happen, yes.

So if push comes to shove, the Uk can do without these things, but the people who make or provide these things will struggle without the UK.

If Brussels has placed a big ban on the UK initiating direct negotiations with member countries, it may well be because they don't want such perspectives on the table too early.
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Yes, and let's not talk about the French wine market, or the Spanish tourism market. These people are not going to sit back and watch their business being sacrificed so that some bureaucrats in Brussels can exact revenge on the UK or please Odile's Britophobe fantasies.
Because there are a number of countries where people don't like to travel anymore that were previously absolutely safe (Turkey, Egypt, the US to some degree), the prospect of Brits not traveling abroad in the usual numbers doesn't perhaps look as dire as it used to for the usual holiday destinations.
Spain is pretty much booked out this Summer, AFAIK.
Italy, Croatia are probably similar.
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Old 03.08.2017, 18:05
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If Brussels has placed a big ban on the UK initiating direct negotiations with member countries, it may well be because they don't want such perspectives on the table too early.
As far as I am aware, that is completely verboten. The EU negotiates as a block, not as individual countries.
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What you consider a qualty car or a good vacation is to some extent a question of perspective and what the afforable alternatives are. So that may well happen, yes.

So if push comes to shove, the Uk can do without these things, but the people who make or provide these things will struggle without the UK.

If Brussels has placed a big ban on the UK initiating direct negotiations with member countries, it may well be because they don't want such perspectives on the table too early.


Sorry, but that is nonsense. The UK will import slightly fewer german cars, but they wont dry up completely - the people buying them will just pay more for them.


Its far more likely that the reduction in cars exported to the UK will be more than made up elsewhere, particularly if supply to those areas becomes more generous, due to fewer imports to the UK. You seem to forget that both India and China, 2 countries each with massive populations, are seeing a boom in the middle class - the class that buy such vehicles.


And Brussels has banned discussions with individual countries. Not because of the nonsense about perspectives on tables, but because the EU always negotiates trade as a bloc, and never as individual countries. This applies for both inward trade and outward trade.
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Yes, and let's not talk about the French wine market, or the Spanish tourism market. These people are not going to sit back and watch their business being sacrificed so that some bureaucrats in Brussels can exact revenge on the UK or please Odile's Britophobe fantasies.

Ive never been given a credible reason as to why brexiteers think that all these european industries will come to their rescue. Every nation on earth would probably like more wine, so this belief that the UK wine market is somehow sacred to the producers is truly mind-boggling.
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Old 03.08.2017, 18:19
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yep those car makers will struggle with only the EU's 700m remaining population to sell tariff free to

didn't the last figures show the uk exports half the cars it makes to the EU (mini, nissan, honda etc all have factories in the uk), the EU don't export half its cars to the uk as a manufacturer its a no brainer to move your uk factory to a nice cheap tariff free eu country 700m potential customers as opposed to 65m potential customers.

I bet most of the ex eastern bloc countries and wining and dining car execs as we type
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Old 03.08.2017, 19:02
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As far as I am aware, that is completely verboten. The EU negotiates as a block, not as individual countries.
Officially, yes.

Inofficially we don't really know. A lot of speculation.

I'm sure that when a Chinese minsiter visits Merkel and the topic of trade comes up over dinner that she doesn't say, no, sorry, we, can't talk about that because it would upset the alcoholic from Luxembourg.
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Old 03.08.2017, 19:05
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yep those car makers will struggle with only the EU's 700m remaining population to sell tariff free to
I think you misunderstand the thinking of executives.

If sales break down just a few percent, that looks quite bad for a big corporation.

So if a CEO has a choice between sending some lobbyists to Brussels to wine and dine some ministers and twist some arms, in return for selling more an looking better at his job, or telling his lobbyists to stay at home, what do you think he will do?
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Old 03.08.2017, 19:11
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I suppose the difference with the well made cars, sunny holidays, and nice wines is that there aren't really credible British alternatives, so they will still get imported by people (or visited in the case of hols), it will just cost them more.

Or people will go to Margate with a bottle of Buckie in an old Rover 100...don't see that happening though
Plenty of good wines from New Zealand, less so from Chile both sold in UK supermarkets. Plenty of Japanese cars to replace EU produced goods so not a great deal to worry about as a consumer.
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Ive never been given a credible reason as to why brexiteers think that all these european industries will come to their rescue. Every nation on earth would probably like more wine, so this belief that the UK wine market is somehow sacred to the producers is truly mind-boggling.
Written by someone who clearly has no idea about economics or capitalism. People don't sell goods out of honour, they sell where the market is. The aim of any company is to make money. The UK has a market which are able to pay a price that exporters demand.

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yep those car makers will struggle with only the EU's 700m remaining population to sell tariff free to
Travel around Eastern Europe, or even rural Italy, Spain and France. And see how many people have the money to buy new Mercedes, Audi and BMW tariff free
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Written by someone who clearly has no idea about economics or capitalism. People don't sell goods out of honour, they sell where the market is. The aim of any company is to make money. The UK has a market which are able to pay a price that exporters demand.
Yes.

And furthermore, the very concept that a smaller market should work better than a larger market flies in the face of the philosophy behind EU expansion since day one.

The idea that what is bad for ther Uk is good for the rest of Europe right now is grabbing at straws.
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Ive never been given a credible reason as to why brexiteers think that all these european industries will come to their rescue. Every nation on earth would probably like more wine, so this belief that the UK wine market is somehow sacred to the producers is truly mind-boggling.
Its all just wishful thinking from Brexiteers. Even if Merkel was browbeaten by her car industry and France and the Italians by their wine producers.. what about the 20+ other EU countries that have an equal vote in any deal?
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Its all just wishful thinking from Brexiteers. Even if Merkel was browbeaten by her car industry and France and the Italians by their wine producers.. what about the 20+ other EU countries that have an equal vote in any deal?
You mean the countries the whole deal is being tayolred for?
The ones who are being made to understand just what will happen to them should they ever vote to leave?



But that aside, is there one country that would be better off if there were not to be an amicable agreement?

Or is this just some remainer revenge fantasy?
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Ahem, so the entire land mass of Great Britain has only two ports of entry, at Dover and at Folkestone? None even equivalent to some obscure Jura crossing?

I didn't realize things had gone downhill so badly since my last visit. I for sure will miss the mouldy carpets at Gatwick. Not to mention all the non existent stuff north of Watford.

Or could it be that you're just so bitter that people didn't vote your way that you wish misfortune on an entire country?
LOL - can you give me a full list of ports you can quickly divert to from Dover or Folkestone, and vice-versa, which do not leave and land in EU- for access to Europe - and with 'quick divert' (as from Geneva- going via South shore, or up one of the many Jura crossings?). Perhaps you have noticed that UK is an Island?

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LOL - can you give me a full list of ports you can quickly divert to from Dover or Folkestone, and vice-versa, which do not leave and land in EU- for access to Europe - and with 'quick divert' (as from Geneva- going via South shore, or up one of the many Jura crossings?). Perhaps you have noticed that UK is an Island?
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Plenty of good wines from New Zealand, less so from Chile both sold in UK supermarkets. Plenty of Japanese cars to replace EU produced goods so not a great deal to worry about as a consumer.
Except having the cash in you pockets to pay for it.... UK purchasing power is on the decline...
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