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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 06.09.2017, 17:24
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

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From the leaked document there is provision already given for short term workers. Just like the L permit.

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Sounds pretty much like the whole Swiss system to me. One or two additions maybe.
In reality, though, the Swiss system kind of works. They have money to throw at it and the mentality of implementing and maintaining such a system is already in place.

The UK local authority mentality, (dis)organisation and woeful lack of funding most likely sees this wishlist as doomed to fail as an administrative mountain they just won't be capable of climbing.

It will lurch between weekly headlines bleating "furinners up to no good, and doing it on your taxes have gone a-missin !!'" and how the law-abiding, church-going all round good egg Mrs Swedish wife of an upstanding vicar is being locked up in a detention centre with drug addicts for 5 weeks before being deported sans enfants back to Sweden.
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Old 06.09.2017, 17:32
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Just to add some levity to this discussion.

This (according to the DM) is how one Brit living in Germany has reacted to Brexit

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eighbours.html
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Old 06.09.2017, 17:34
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It will lurch between weekly headlines bleating "furinners up to no good, and doing it on your taxes have gone a-missin !!'" and how the law-abiding, church-going all round good egg Mrs Swedish wife of an upstanding vicar is being locked up in a detention centre with drug addicts for 5 weeks before being deported sans enfants back to Sweden.
Sure.

But then it's never been the objective of govt policy to please the DM.
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Old 06.09.2017, 17:40
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Sure.

But then it's never been the objective of govt policy to please the DM.
Yes, you're probably right but that wasn't my point (although the original list seems to have come from one of the tabloids, right?).

Headlines aside, knowing the crippling inefficiency of local and central government in the UK, I'd put money on the shiny tabloid produced list failing and being underfunded before it has even got off the ground.


EDIT: This list: DM? Express? http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...4646642061.jpg
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Old 06.09.2017, 18:01
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Expect that it is targeted directly at EU citizens rather than all nations... Just shows that the EU is absolutely right to insist on ECJ supervision!
Is it? What are the non-EU requirements to get into the UK?
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Old 06.09.2017, 18:30
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Sure.

But then it's never been the objective of govt policy to please the DM.
I thought that was exactly current government policy.
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Just to add some levity to this discussion.

This (according to the DM) is how one Brit living in Germany has reacted to Brexit

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eighbours.html
What a moron.
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Old 06.09.2017, 18:59
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Yes, you're probably right but that wasn't my point (although the original list seems to have come from one of the tabloids, right?).

Headlines aside, knowing the crippling inefficiency of local and central government in the UK, I'd put money on the shiny tabloid produced list failing and being underfunded before it has even got off the ground.


EDIT: This list: DM? Express? http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...4646642061.jpg

Build a 10M fence around it
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Old 07.09.2017, 10:39
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Apologies for provenance, and I know he's not representative of all Brexit voters, but the fella wearing his chinese knock-off top, and supping his export-strength French lager did make me chuckle this morning...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/uncategoriz...nd-shirt-beer/
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Apologies for provenance, and I know he's not representative of all Brexit voters, but the fella wearing his chinese knock-off top, and supping his export-strength French lager did make me chuckle this morning...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/uncategoriz...nd-shirt-beer/
"Barry Bonner swigged from a Desperados can - a strong lager mixed with tequila - as he left court"

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Old 07.09.2017, 11:45
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I like that he has a dragon tattoo.

We used to have loads of Dragons in the UK, until some Palestinian religious fundamentalist refugee came over and killed the lot of them.
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I like that he has a dragon tattoo.

We used to have loads of Dragons in the UK, until some Palestinian religious fundamentalist refugee came over and killed the lot of them.
"The Git With The Dragon Tattoo", coming soon to a cinema near you.
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So rather than saying this car needs this many liters per this many km, you say, on average and leaving a defined location in Zürich at 4pm on a work day with a payload of 110kg, this car needs this much petrol to get to a defined location in Bern. The standard deviation is this much. The bad to good weather coefficient is this much. The air conditioning is this much extra. If you have a window open its this. Anything the software does is part of the car's engieering. So if you have a very efficient engine but a very stupid software, so what? The car is not efficient and the manufacturer should be honest about it or fix it. And because the car is self driving, there is no longer a difference between grandad's style and the boy racer's style. Much more difficult to manipulate. Statistics could be collected from real cases rather than artificial situations.
An interesting idea. Somehow I doubt it would be accepted though.
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Old 07.09.2017, 18:09
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Irish politicians would prefer the UK to remain in the EU customs union, as the safest way to avoid the border posts that became targets for nationalist paramilitaries during the Troubles. But remaining in the customs union would mean the UK would lose the power to negotiate its own trade deals, a key demand for Brexiters.

As such, Davis hopes the UK can remain in a customs union with the EU but in Brussels his plans are seen as vague or unrealistic.

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Not convinced this point is correct?
Turkey is in the customs union but continues to make trade deals?

So maybe there is flexibility or a precedent or whatever ?
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Old 08.09.2017, 00:34
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As such, Davis hopes the UK can remain in a customs union with the EU but in Brussels his plans are seen as vague or unrealistic.

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Turkey is in the customs union but continues to make trade deals?

So maybe there is flexibility or a precedent or whatever ?
At that time Turkey was on its way into the union. Clearly a country that just left can't expect the same preferential treatment, and perhaps leniency.

Plus, those treaties require Turkey to align itself to the "acquis communitaire" in certain areas. Certainly hardcore brexiteers would see that as subordination to EU law.

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Brexit's working:

UK employers raise pay as Brexit skills shortage bites - recruiters
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Old 08.09.2017, 13:47
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Tremendous:


"Britain’s biggest carmaker Jaguar Land Rover told Reuters on Thursday it is feeling Brexit’s effects with non-British EU workers at its plants demanding better terms to compensate for uncertainty about their future in the country, and international suppliers less willing to commit to the country."


So the people "we" voted to kick out are actually needed and now need to be paid MORE in comparison to British workers. That's worked out well, then.
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Old 08.09.2017, 13:53
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Sure is! Inability to attract skilled workers, cost base rising!
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What skills shortage?

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Old 08.09.2017, 16:02
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What skills shortage?
Remind us again what happened since 2014???
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