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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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the UK is a parliamentary democracy
Kindly prove your claim by referencing any UK-governmental source.
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In principle, Yes, that is why it is so difficult to forecast the final UK net cost because some of the payments in both directions depend on external factors which will change and consequently hard to forecast their cost effect.
so it’s possible that the NET bill is less than 50 billion. No one really knows.

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night that parliament is happy with it. No one complained. Interesting to know why.
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Old 30.11.2017, 11:18
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That *is* the net bill. Gross amounts are something like 80-90bln paid by the UK less 30bln paid by the EU.
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so it’s possible that the NET bill is less than 50 billion. No one really knows.

Also the BBC news reported last
night that parliament is happy with it. No one complained. Interesting to know why.
Please explain why you believe the UK Parliament would not be happy that the UK Govt. has agreed to meet its formal obligations?
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i have seen that nowhere. can you provide a link?
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Please explain why you believe the UK Parliament would not be happy that the UK Govt. has agreed to meet its formal obligations?
basically because every time something about BREXIT is mentioned someone complains regardless. but now a decision is made parliament just accepts it. like i say interesting to know why.
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Heck, even the Mirror mentions this.

And here's the horse's mouth, paywall appears to not apply to this article. But just in case it's inaccessible to you:
"According to several diplomats familiar with the talks, the UK would assume EU liabilities worth up to €100bn although net payments, discharged over many decades, could fall to less than half that amount. "
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I am still waiting to see any pros out of leaving the EU? Not one single shred of information or evidence pertaining to the benefits of going it alone. Really, I still think this is the stupidest most ignorant move in the entire British history. And I am not alone.

losses include scientific research and education. A huge amount of the highly skilled european workforce that works in technology, healthcare etc, 50 billion quid at least, not counting the losses in trade and export. Any rights to vote on issues within the EU.

I am flabbergasted by how dumb people are, because they are scared of a few immigrants and want back sovereignty? Its tragic.
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So?
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A metaphor for voting Brexit if ever I saw one.
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I am still waiting to see any pros out of leaving the EU? Not one single shred of information or evidence pertaining to the benefits of going it alone. Really, I still think this is the stupidest most ignorant move in the entire British history. And I am not alone.

losses include scientific research and education. A huge amount of the highly skilled european workforce that works in technology, healthcare etc, 50 billion quid at least, not counting the losses in trade and export. Any rights to vote on issues within the EU.

I am flabbergasted by how dumb people are, because they are scared of a few immigrants and want back sovereignty? Its tragic.
As a capitalist I can see huge advantages, of leaving the EU. I don't like subsidies at all & wish to pay the lowest price for goods & services.
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As a capitalist I can see huge advantages, of leaving the EU. I don't like subsidies at all & wish to pay the lowest price for goods & services.
You mean as a consumer. But its not going to get cheaper for you. So there you have it, a selfish person, who doesn't even live in the UK, (hates it, and Switzerland) who voted to leave the EU? Why? Because you think its going to get cheaper for you? how daft! And every thing will still be subsidised, like all UK agriculture and production.
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As a capitalist I can see huge advantages, of leaving the EU. I don't like subsidies at all & wish to pay the lowest price for goods & services.
but you do complain bitterly when people are not prepared to pay for your services hey ...

at what price are those lowest goods and services- slavery? Poor animal husbandry and cruelty? Where is your limit - for others- and for yourself and your famiy?
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You mean as a consumer. But its not going to get cheaper for you. So there you have it, a selfish person, who doesn't even live in the UK, (hates it, and Switzerland) who voted to leave the EU? Why? Because you think its going to get cheaper for you? how daft!

I did not vote to leave, as I don't have the right to do so. As I said in the other thread taxation without representation.
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but you do complain bitterly when people are not prepared to pay for your services hey ...

at what price are those lowest goods and services- slavery? Poor animal husbandry and cruelty? Where is your limit - for others- and for yourself and your famiy?
No I don't, I mention it as the reason I stopped working, very happy not to work & pay very little tax as a result.

The Common Agriculture Policy supports French farmers & as a result we pay more than we should, nothing to do with cruelty to animals. Tax credits allows companies to pay lower salaries than they need to. London supermarkets would pay their staff what they needed to live & come to work, currently they pay about half.
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I am still waiting to see any pros out of leaving the EU? Not one single shred of information or evidence pertaining to the benefits of going it alone. Really, I still think this is the stupidest most ignorant move in the entire British history. And I am not alone.

losses include scientific research and education. A huge amount of the highly skilled european workforce that works in technology, healthcare etc, 50 billion quid at least, not counting the losses in trade and export. Any rights to vote on issues within the EU.

I am flabbergasted by how dumb people are, because they are scared of a few immigrants and want back sovereignty? Its tragic.
" 50 billion quid at least, not counting the losses in trade and export. "
You did not include the billions required for the UK Brexit preparations (an extra 3 billion in the last Budget alone) plus the billions required every year to provide the same services that the EU will no longer provide after Brexit.

Plus divorce payments will continue to be made for many years, as the UK will assume liability for EU pensions due to be paid to those British citizens eligible, which includes MEPs who will lose their positions as a result of Brexit.
Likely Farage as an MEP will also get an immediate life long pension paid by the UK.
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NHS England Board Meeting, today 30 November 2017 - you can watch it live here Link
The topic is which services to cut to stay within NHS budget.

Never mind NHS, the Brexit cost savings from the cessation of EU payments to help your budget will start flooding in 10 or 15 years or....
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80% of Ireland’s exports to the EU go through the UK because it’s cheaper and quicker than going direct to say France. So Ireland is well and truly scuppered if we crash out of the customs union.

Will post link when I have one - this is from a friend in NI.
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80% of Ireland’s exports to the EU go through the UK because it’s cheaper and quicker than going direct to say France. So Ireland is well and truly scuppered if we crash out of the customs union.

Will post link when I have one - this is from a friend in NI.
50% of UK trade is subject to WTO terms already, plenty of assumed UK to EU exports are not EU exports at all as they go via Rotterdam & appear as exports from the Netherlands, this works both ways.

If you understood how it works, it wont scupper anything, just like lorries that transmit Switzerland. Bonded warehouses also exist....... It's the same if you land at a UK airport you can often transit & not go through immigration.
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80% of Ireland’s exports to the EU go through the UK because it’s cheaper and quicker than going direct to say France. So Ireland is well and truly scuppered if we crash out of the customs union.

Will post link when I have one - this is from a friend in NI.
Why? Just seal the containers, declare them as "in transit" or whatever the technical term is, and you're done.

Of course that doesn't apply if the contents need to be redistributed to other containers, but that seems quite unlikely due to cost, regardless of Brexit.
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