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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 12.01.2018, 22:01
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Nigel Farage is being docked half his monthly MEP salary after a European parliament investigation alleged he had misspent public funds intended for staffing his office.

The former Ukip leader, who recently bemoaned being “53, separated and skint”, will lose €40,000 (£35,500) in total, the Guardian has learned, after European parliament auditors concluded he had misspent that amount of EU funds.
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Old 12.01.2018, 22:16
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Poor old farage
Is that a typo?? 40,000€ is half of his monthly wage??
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Is that a typo?? 40,000€ is half of his monthly wage??
I suppose (and hope) he will be docked half his monthly MEP salary over several months, until he has paid the 40,000 back
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Old 12.01.2018, 23:19
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I suppose (and hope) he will be docked half his monthly MEP salary over several months, until he has paid the 40,000 back
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Docking Farage’s pre-tax MEP salary of €8,484 a month would mean he would have repaid what officials call his “debt to the EU” by October 2018.

MEPs earn €101,808 a year before tax and receive thousands more in expenses for staff, travel and office costs. Farage’s pension is understood to be worth £73,000 a year and he will also be entitled to a transitional allowance worth £117,000 when he steps down as an MEP in 2019, as the UK leaves the EU.
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Poor old farage
He was bemoaning this on The Wright Stuff when he said he wanted a second referendum. A viewer asked if he was really as skint as he recently claimed in the press. Farage claims they've docked £45k and are trying to stop his pension.
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Old 14.01.2018, 13:02
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He was bemoaning this on The Wright Stuff when he said he wanted a second referendum. A viewer asked if he was really as skint as he recently claimed in the press. Farage claims they've docked £45k and are trying to stop his pension.
But he is a politician and, therefore, operates out of principle and would not be swayed by crude financial pressure, such as docking his salary/pension etc.) into moderating his firmly held beliefs. So that can't explain his alleged support for a second referendum. More likely, it is the the realisation that for for Britain, leaving the EU would be as equally bad as staying in it.

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My thoughts are that he learnt something new at his meeting with Barnier e.g. May has secretly agreed a soft and bouncy Brexit which'll be 'Remain' in all but name.
Therefore if he loses a second referendum then at least we won't be lumbered with that and if they win then they have an overwhelming mandate for a nuclear Brexit.
I don't believe that.
I simply believe that he realized that it's better for him personally if the UK stays in the EU as he'll have a reason to exist.
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Old 15.01.2018, 10:52
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I wish everyone would get this idea of a "soft" Brexit out of their heads. It ain't happening. We will not get into the single market because it means accepting the other 3 principles and that's not what we voted for. We voted LEAVE - that's what we're doing. Leaving the single market, leaving freedom of movement, leaving, leaving, leaving.
Really?
Then why was Norway mentioned as a possible example?
Let me answer my question: because the Brexiteer camp is a bunch of shameless liars while the idiotic remainers were trying to play fair and not lie to the people.
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Old 15.01.2018, 11:23
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I don't believe that.
I simply believe that he realized that it's better for him personally if the UK stays in the EU as he'll have a reason to exist.
According to Farage's own statements he is broke so a continuing MEP salary would be very useful
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Really?
Then why was Norway mentioned as a possible example?
Let me answer my question: because the Brexiteer camp is a bunch of shameless liars while the idiotic remainers were trying to play fair and not lie to the people.
Though I think that applies more to the Brexit side, both sides had no problems with fabricating "facts" to support their case. The campaigning was way too emotional to leave room for much reason, if any.
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According to Farage's own statements he is broke so a continuing MEP salary would be very useful
And he said again last week, that he is the proverbial turkey that voted for Christmas.

On a side note, I'd love to who his legal team are and what injunctions they have in place for him, because he's miraculously escaped any damning media headlines about his personal life. Nothing was reported on it until after the EU referendum, and even then, it was in hushed, respectful tones. Even when questioned on the Henry Bolton debarcle (before Bolton's comments this morning and the events of this weekend), for a moment it looked as if Matthew Wright was going down that route into Farage's personal life, but he swiftly withdrew.
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Old 15.01.2018, 18:21
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Boris Johnson said that the UK’s EU contribution was already up to £362m per week for 2017-18 from the £350M originally quoted and would rise annually to £410m, £431m, and then to £438m by 2020-21 – “theoretically the last year of the transition period”.
Johnson argued that it was reasonable to use the gross figure because the UK government would “take back control” of the full amount

Forecasts for the cost of the UK’s contribution to the EU have gone up since 2016 - in part because the value of sterling against the euro slumped as a result of the leave vote that Johnson helped to orchestrate.

Open Britain, which is campaigning for a soft Brexit, issued this statement "Boris Johnson promised £350m a week for the NHS while telling us the EU could go whistle but then backed a £40bn divorce bill. "

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Old 16.01.2018, 12:27
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Boris Johnson said that the UK’s EU contribution was already up to £362m per week for 2017-18 from the £350M originally quoted and would rise annually to £410m, £431m, and then to £438m by 2020-21 – “theoretically the last year of the transition period”.
Johnson argued that it was reasonable to use the gross figure because the UK government would “take back control” of the full amount

Forecasts for the cost of the UK’s contribution to the EU have gone up since 2016 - in part because the value of sterling against the euro slumped as a result of the leave vote that Johnson helped to orchestrate.

Open Britain, which is campaigning for a soft Brexit, issued this statement "Boris Johnson promised £350m a week for the NHS while telling us the EU could go whistle but then backed a £40bn divorce bill. "

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Strange news day!
Far better to have a hard BREXIT, pay no divorce bill & get a huge amount of import duties on EU goods.
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Far better to have a hard BREXIT, pay no divorce bill & get a huge amount of import duties on EU goods.
And who is paying those duties?
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And who is paying those duties?
You can't raise the price of commodity goods in the market place as they are already priced at what the market will bear, it will come out the producer's & importers margins.

You will notice inflation has only been 3% even with a 20% plus drop in currency.

Meanwhile UK exporters have been cashing in.
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You can't raise the price of commodity goods in the market place
There is an obvious fallacy there.

Everything we import from the EU is already at the best market price, otherwise we wouldn't be importing it.

So either the UK needs to develop the huge amount of commodities that it is currently importing (and cheaper than the EU, which we know is by definition impossible, or we'd be doing it), or the market price is going up.
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You can't raise the price of commodity goods in the market place as they are already priced at what the market will bear, it will come out the producer's & importers margins.

You will notice inflation has only been 3% even with a 20% plus drop in currency.

Meanwhile UK exporters have been cashing in.
You mean commodity goods like petrol? The price jumps around all over the place due to external factors
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Everything we import from the EU is already at the best market price, otherwise we wouldn't be importing it.
Food is hugely more expensive due to C.A.P. German cars compete with Japanese cars

Petrol is one of the few things that does move up & down in price, however there is no other source unless you smuggle it in for 1/3 price sans tax.
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Food is hugely more expensive due to C.A.P. German cars compete with Japanese cars

Petrol is one of the few things that does move up & down in price, however there is no other source unless you smuggle it in for 1/3 price sans tax.
As the contribution of Euro countries to oil production is negligable, the EUR to GBP exchange rate is not going to wreck the petrol price.

And of course the primary influence on the price itself is actually the tax. Petrol could be much cheaper if that was actually desired. But for environmetal reasons and to discourage waste, it's not desired.
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