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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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They won't. And as someone who voted for Brexit (and would vote for Brexit again should the question be put to the people again), I find that profoundly disappointing.

As I've said before, the Tories offered the demos a choice of chips or rice, knowing full well that nobody had bought any potatoes. The sheer incompetence and irresponsibility of this simple act is not far from treasonous.

This may well be the United Kingdom's only opportunity to leave the vile, corrupt organisation that is the European Union, and so far the signs are not looking good. I would not be at all surprised to see Brexit cancelled and the United Kingdom become a full member of the EU with the Euro as our currency and battalions of the European Army stationed on our shores, all because Cameron and his cronies couldn't be arsed to do the groundwork for a proper departure. The fact that membership of the European Economic Community and later the European Union was a Tory project all along might not be an entirely irrelevant point, either.

They simply never wanted it, didn't prepare for it, offered it to us anyway, and now have no way of delivering it.

Bastards, the lot of them.
Surely, a vote needs to be cast with the political context in mind- it must have been crystal clear that the GVT was totally unprepared for this, and totally divided too- and that there are just so many obstacles which makes Brexit impossible in the timeframe- like Ireland/NI, etc. Voting out of spite is pretty useless and non-sensical.
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I saw on the side of a bus that it's the 350 millionth page, but my sources are dodgy.



I was going to say "catch up" and link you to the earlier post of Jacob Rees Mogg in a topper and tails, but the hotlinked image is of the latest edition of Private Eye, which is just as good for a chuckle.

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lulz, more like. It's a proper British balls up.



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Old 21.02.2018, 20:20
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Britain has registered its first rise in unemployment since the Brexit referendum in 2016.
The increase in the jobless rate to 4.4% surprised economists, and the pound dropped by about 0.6% against the dollar.

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Probably just a temporary blip
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Old 21.02.2018, 20:48
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Britain has registered its first rise in unemployment since the Brexit referendum in 2016.
The increase in the jobless rate to 4.4% surprised economists, and the pound dropped by about 0.6% against the dollar.

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Probably just a temporary blip
It doesn't surprise me at all. This 'yes/no/maybe/please don't, can we have an open end discussion (roflmao)' by everybody including the government is not the basis business prospers on.

Why should anybody - including the Brits - invest a single penny if they don't even know which rule they should follow and in what scenario they should plan and calculate?!
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Surely, a vote needs to be cast with the political context in mind- it must have been crystal clear that the GVT was totally unprepared for this, and totally divided too- and that there are just so many obstacles which makes Brexit impossible in the timeframe- like Ireland/NI, etc. Voting out of spite is pretty useless and non-sensical.
I think part of the problem is that UK voters were ill equipped to deal with the situation - they were used to using elections to punish governments and many voters applied that same logic. I also would not be surprised that many expect to be able to simply change it at some future election down the line if they don’t like it.
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Britain has registered its first rise in unemployment since the Brexit referendum in 2016.
The increase in the jobless rate to 4.4% surprised economists, and the pound dropped by about 0.6% against the dollar.

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Probably just a temporary blip
It is very surprising because right now they have the best of both worlds - full acces to EU markets and an undervalued currency - they should be steaming ahead...
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UK wants open-ended Brexit transition period, Whitehall paper shows

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Well that headline changed pretty quickly. Like so many Graun "leaked papers" it turns out to be BS. Remember this story was the lead on their website yesterday afternoon.
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Old 22.02.2018, 10:15
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Well that headline changed pretty quickly. Like so many Graun "leaked papers" it turns out to be BS. Remember this story was the lead on their website yesterday afternoon.
"Kremlin / Whitehouse / Downing St deny involvement" usually means the opposite is confirmed.
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Well that headline changed pretty quickly. Like so many Graun "leaked papers" it turns out to be BS. Remember this story was the lead on their website yesterday afternoon.
Not exactly BS, the paper says
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The UK believes the Period’s duration should be determined simply by how long it will take to prepare and implement the new processes and new systems that will underpin the future partnership. The UK agrees this points to a period of around two years, but wishes to discuss with the EU the assessment that supports its proposed end date.
There shall be an implementation period (the ‘Period’), which shall start on the date of entry into force of this Agreement and end on [31 December 2020]
You see the end date is in square brackets and these are defined in the paper as meaning the end date needs to be negotiated and agreed.

You can read the whole document here.
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It gets funnier / more shambolic / more frustrating / more desperate than that.
Andrew Rawnsley summed it up a couple of weeks ago:
"The government can’t govern and the opposition doesn’t want to oppose."
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For anyone who has been asleep all week, there's now a pro-Remain party called Renew https://renewbritain.org/ Whilst I'm an unswerving remainer, the language this bunch of chancers have used on their website and in tv interviews, is beyond pathetic/poor/insulting.
I'm not sure I've got the stamina for that.

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Then we have the PM giving a terrible interview on 'This Morning' of all things. It comes to something when everyone realises Phillip Scholfield has got the better of you on live tv. Gordon the Gopher would be so proud of his protégé.

Then we have the Tory back(stabbers) benchers, some of whom have been sacked by the PM within the last 12mths, sending an open letter to the PM filled with little hints and tips on how to achieve a good Brexit.

Then you watch the PM's performance in today's PMQs....and feel the need to take a trip to Ikea, which is my vision of hell, but far preferable to her infernal prattling. I give up!
Something I jotted down yesterday in an idle moment:

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Now that you have demonstrated that you cannot organise a piss-up in a brewery, can you please vacate the premises? The brewery's customers would like to have regular supplies restored."
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Under what is understood to be Mays preferred model, the UK would be in regulatory alignment with the EU in some areas while finding different ways to achieve the same outcomes in other sectors.
In the so-called third basket of sectors, the UK would in time diverge from the EU and go its own way under the model.

It is claimed by Brussels that such an approach would breach an agreement among EU27 leaders to prevent cherry-picking by the UK that it is said would pose a risk to the integrity of the single market.


The document says: “UK views on regulatory issues in the future relationship including ‘three basket approach’ are not compatible with the principles in the [European council] guidelines.”

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Phillip Scholfield scored another peach of an inyerview on This Morning with Henry Bolton and his squeeze. This one got me thinking....

Former UKIP leader, Farage, had a German wife and French lover.
Boltin has had a Danish wife and two Russian wives, the last one of which has taken the kids and gone working in Vienna to support the family whilst he gets his end away with a vile piece of work.

It seems to me that two UKIP leaders have made above average use of immigration to supplement their love lives. And that's without even mentioning the walking Wotsit over the pond.
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The document says: “UK views on regulatory issues in the future relationship including ‘three basket approach’ are not compatible with the principles in the [European council] guidelines.”
Then there's this one that's been brewing since this morning...
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  • Support for a customs union with EU has majority in parliament
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