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omtatsat 24.09.2019 10:17

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Originally Posted by scipio (Post 3103131)
Which didn't really work, as the majority of "voters" (aka online survey participants) were from Germany (something like 3 out of a total of 4 Million).

It's also a great example on how not to organize democratic votes: "voters" were not properly informed on potential impact of changing the time to permanent summer- or permanent standard-time, they were literally asked:

"What is your overall experience with the switching from wintertime to summertime?"
"Evidence suggests that common EU rules in this area are very important to ensure the proper functioning of the internal market. In order to ensure such common rules also for the future, which of the following alternatives would you favour?"
"If the switching were to be abolished, what option would you prefer?"

It's quite interesting that they would emphasize that common EU rules are important for the internal market, while not mentioning health impacts of eternal summertime at all. I guess the priorities for the EU commission are pretty clear.

theres no voting there.In a Mafia there can be no real voting

st2lemans 24.09.2019 10:21

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(Because everybody loves a barbecue when it's -8°c)
Well, I certainly do! :msntongue:

Alas, it never gets that cold here. :msnsad:

Tom

curley 24.09.2019 13:29

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Originally Posted by omtatsat (Post 3103192)
The solution for the late sunrise is this. The lamp I mean!!!;)

https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product...-wecker-361878

Theres money to be made out of summer time.

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And once again, you got it wrong! :D

What is it with this health issue? :rolleyes:
We were all very fit and healthy before 1980. And we survived the switching ever since as well.

curley 24.09.2019 13:39

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My tab reports "Zeitzonen aktualisieren" and tells me there are new time-zones available?!

scipio 24.09.2019 18:37

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Originally Posted by Jim2007 (Post 3103228)
Like I said a lot of nonsense, just the usual anti EU blah blah....

If you were concerned about health then your post would be about it and not the EU.

I've provided links to four scientific studies and to two newspaper articles describing health related issues. But clearly my critique of how the EU handled this topic has bothered you too much to notice them.

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I'd suggest there are more significant health issues to deal with than the vague, unproven idea of a few crackpots that daylight later in the evening will cause cancer. (Are they from the Trump school of windmill noise cancer theories?)
Do LMU Munich, Harvard medical school, Boston University, University of Colorado, UC San Diego, University of Basel or University of Surrey sound familiar to you? If you would have clicked any of the links to the studies you could have figured that out by yourself. And nobody says that daylight causes cancer, but that messing around with our biological clock even more than we already do has an impact on our health. For your reference, you also might want to be more careful with whom you label as crackpot from "Trump school": Trump has previously expressed that he is onboard with permanent summertime. He might enjoy the longer BBQs too :p

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There's a ton of scientific evidence to the contrary, too. :rolleyes: We can all cherry-pick studies to suit our personal inclinations.
You are free to copy and paste them in here. I've passed on what the chronobiologists quoted in the articles are saying about the topic of permanent summertime. The evaluation comes from them not from me. Here is the official statement of the European Biological Rhythms Society on the topic. Similarly, the Society for Research on Biological Rhythms has issued a position paper. Both research societies emphasize that introducing standard time and abolishing summertime would be the best option for human health. In this article a sleep scientist from the US summarizes the scientific evidence from his point of view and explains why (sleep) scientists should speak up against similar political moves in the US.

Ace1 24.09.2019 18:49

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Originally Posted by scipio (Post 3103463)
I've provided links to four scientific studies and to two newspaper articles describing health related issues.

Not one of which is related to the topic in question, as I've pointed out several times, but which you choose to ignore.

scipio 24.09.2019 19:29

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Originally Posted by Ace1 (Post 3103467)
Not one of which is related to the topic in question, as I've pointed out several times, but which you choose to ignore.

I've previously posted four scientific studies and two newspaper articles. Of those:

1. One study describes the effects observed when russia introduced and later abolished permanent summer time. They conclude the abstract with: Our data indicate that “non-DSTp” (=permanent standard time) social clock system most suitable for prevention dissociation between social and biological clocks - not relevant?

2. The other three studies describe how health is affected within a time zone based on your location in that time zone. Broadly speaking health is impacted negatively the more you move towards the west within that time zone. Introducing permanent summer time is equivalent to being located more towards the west - not relevant?

3. The title of one newspaper article is "Researchers warn against permanent summertime" - not relevant?

4. The other newspaper article is written by a scientist who researchers in the area. She explains why introducing permanent summertime is a bad idea towards the middle of the article and that summertime/DST in general is rejected by the majority of researchers in the area - not relevant?

Most importantly, scientist in the area disagree with you and do consider those publications relevant for the discussion, as they use them to explain why (permanent) summer time is a bad idea.

omtatsat 29.09.2019 08:23

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Well the next change from winter time to summer time at the end of March 2020 will be last the time they change the clocks. Then there is no turning back from the abyss!

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Guest 29.09.2019 15:49

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In which country? What's your source?

omtatsat 29.09.2019 17:34

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In which country? What's your source?
In Germany.


https://www.noz.de/deutschland-welt/...019-umgestellt

Guest 29.09.2019 20:09

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Originally Posted by omtatsat (Post 3104998)

Read it again. :rolleyes:

"Möglicherweise ist das die letzte Zeitumstellung in Deutschland" does not mean it will be the last time the clocks change.


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