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Old 23.01.2020, 18:06
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

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I applied for a card just before Christmas. I never bothered before as the nearest branch was a long way away but there's one much nearer to us now.

Anyway, how long does it take to get a card?

I got mine in about a weeks.... give them a call if you don't have it yet. Or I've found the people who work there to be very helpful, they can look you up and give you a print out of the card number if its been processed.... my fried today forgot his card and he showed ID and they gave him a little printed slip of paper....
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Old 23.01.2020, 18:39
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Germany introduced this week a minimum 50 euro spend before you get the form to claim back the tax.

The media is claiming this will be a big impact on people shopping over the border
The minimum in most shops is now €50,01.
However you don't necessarily need the form and customs will still stamp receipts without the form and printed out invoices from online orders under this amount. It is up to the customer and shop to negotiate whether a tax refund is issued.

As for an impact. Many are simply going to buy more stuff in the same shop so as to reach the minimum. I hardly think people are going to reduce shopping in Germany. Especially with current CH prices and the very favourable exchange rate CHF/Euro!

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Where non food items are concerned, some stores previously had their own limit, for example 20 francs, before issuing a tax refund claim form.
Euros surely...
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The minimum in most shops is now €50,01.
However you don't necessarily need the form and customs will still stamp receipts without the form and printed out invoices from online orders under this amount. It is up to the customer and shop to negotiate whether a tax refund is issued.
The German government will not give a TAX refund if the minimum sale is under 50,- (50,01 is not a thing)

A shop can give a discount when the amount is under 50,- but not issue a VAT refund.
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The German government will not give a TAX refund if the minimum sale is under 50,- (50,01 is not a thing)

A shop can give a discount when the amount is under 50,- but not issue a VAT refund.
Actually some shops are still doing it, including online ones.
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Actually some shops are still doing it, including online ones.
Still it is a discount and not a VAT refund no matter how they want to call it, and likely due to a mistake. And since they gave the customer a discount they also charged to much VAT.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

No it's still an official tax refund. The onus is simply (as it always has been) on the shop to want to fill out the paperwork to do it. As far as I am aware (feel free to prove me wrong if you can link to any information to the contrary) the shop is not breaking any law by doing this and also note that customs are still stamping the invoices.

Also, Amazon still do it. This works (yes, even for purchases under €50 and even for orders exported after 1.1.20):
https://www.amazon.de/gp/help/custom...deId=201999220

I've done it on stuff several times in January (only because it said not deliverable to CH) as I we live very close to the border and buy (and import) stuff for friends who don't live as close and otherwise wouldn't have the time to come and collect it.
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No it's still an official tax refund. The onus is simply (as it always has been) on the shop to want to fill out the paperwork to do it. As far as I am aware (feel free to prove me wrong if you can link to any information to the contrary) the shop is not breaking any law by doing this and also note that customs are still stamping the invoices.

Also, Amazon still do it. This works (yes, even for purchases under €50 and even for orders exported after 1.1.20):
https://www.amazon.de/gp/help/custom...deId=201999220

I've done it on stuff several times in January (only because it said not deliverable to CH) as I we live very close to the border and buy (and import) stuff for friends who don't live as close and otherwise wouldn't have the time to come and collect it.
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Old 24.01.2020, 10:25
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No it's still an official tax refund. The onus is simply (as it always has been) on the shop to want to fill out the paperwork to do it. As far as I am aware (feel free to prove me wrong if you can link to any information to the contrary) the shop is not breaking any law by doing this and also note that customs are still stamping the invoices.

Also, Amazon still do it. This works (yes, even for purchases under €50 and even for orders exported after 1.1.20):
https://www.amazon.de/gp/help/custom...deId=201999220

I've done it on stuff several times in January (only because it said not deliverable to CH) as I we live very close to the border and buy (and import) stuff for friends who don't live as close and otherwise wouldn't have the time to come and collect it.
I assume the difference now is that when a shop refunds MWST on a purchase of less than 50 euros then they cannot recover that MWST from their Government. It is simply a sales promotion.
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I assume the difference now is that when a shop refunds MWST on a purchase of less than 50 euros then they cannot recover that MWST from their Government. It is simply a sales promotion.
Which also means that if a discount is given that to much VAT is billed.
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Old 24.01.2020, 15:03
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

Thank you for posting the link. It confirms that the minimum amount is €50,01 just as I posted before (wording states more than €50). Shops in the border region have also displayed this exact figure of €50,01.

It doesn't seem to be prohibited for shops to reimburse the VAT. At least this is not mentioned in your link. The final 2 points on the page are not entirely clear to me either.

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I assume the difference now is that when a shop refunds MWST on a purchase of less than 50 euros then they cannot recover that MWST from their Government. It is simply a sales promotion.
It is not the shops who have to claim back the VAT from the German state.

The shops will annul the VAT in their bookkeeping, so that they won't have to give it to the German state. Reason for annulment: goods exported to a third country - proof provided: a stamped invoice.

Amazon refund the full and exact amount of German VAT on orders of any amount (including below €50,01), shipped to the EU but then exported to a third country - this is definitely not a sales promotion.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

I can confirm amazon does refund for less than 50 euros, I wasn’t too sure about it but just received a refund for few different orders which were all less than 50 euros, all ordered after January 1, 2020.
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Old 25.01.2020, 18:15
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I can confirm amazon does refund for less than 50 euros, I wasn’t too sure about it but just received a refund for few different orders which were all less than 50 euros, all ordered after January 1, 2020.
Online rules are different, they don't charge you in the first place so nothing to refund!

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Online rules are different, they don't charge you in the first place so nothing to refund!
We are talking about the German VAT on orders being sent to Germany and then exported to CH.
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We are talking about the German VAT on orders being sent to Germany and then exported to CH.
Who does that?

I just get it sent directly here.

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Who does that?
I just get it sent directly here.
A lot of people do it on items that can't be shipped to CH.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

Amazon no longer ships everything to Switzerland, something about online traders having to comply with Swiss tax rules last year. I do multiple orders on amazon for things I can’t find in Switzerland and get it shipped across the border. Then go pick it up and get the German VAT forms stamped. I work near the border, so it isn’t a big deal to go pick it up from an Amazon pick up point.
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A lot of people do it on items that can't be shipped to CH.
If it can't be shipped here, I don't buy it.

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Who does that?

I just get it sent directly here.

Tom
I do.

Honestly, I can't figure amazon.de out. They give me - a correct - total but in the end charge me less. They give me some kind of discount for example which is completely random and not in the least logic. But as long as it's always less than I was willing to spend, I won't bother.
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can't figure amazon.de out. They give me - a correct - total but in the end charge me less. They give me some kind of discount for example which is completely random and not in the least logic.
For which orders, ones to Germany or the ones that can get through to CH? It could be a tax adjustment which you don't immediately see when ordering. Amazon UK prices adjust automatically as well when shipping to German addresses.
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Old 25.01.2020, 22:44
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For which orders, ones to Germany or the ones that can get through to CH? It could be a tax adjustment which you don't immediately see when ordering. Amazon UK prices adjust automatically as well when shipping to German addresses.
Delivered to a German address, paied in Euros. But with a Swiss credit card.
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