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29.01.2020, 14:11
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| | Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border. | Quote: | |  | | | I have now managed to upload some images. One example from each site I mentioned. The CH VAT has been refunded in each case - the amounts of VAT correspond to either the 2.5 or 7.7% rate. Orders were delivered from EU to CH which from an EU VAT area point of view is a third country and thus no EU VAT is due.
So as you see, it did happen.  | | | | | ftfy
If they did refund Swiss VAT then they were incorrect and you might find you will be charged this again.
Swiss VAT is charged by Switzerland on imports; nothing to do with the EU | This user groans at marton for this post: | | 
29.01.2020, 14:19
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| | Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border. | Quote: | |  | | | ftfy
If they did refund Swiss VAT then they were incorrect and you might find you will be charged this again.
Swiss VAT is charged by Switzerland on imports; nothing to do with the EU  | | | | | I disagree. Switzerland has introduced the measure unilaterally. From an EU VAT area point of view, no VAT is due as the item is exported to a non-Eu country.
What do you mean 'if' they did refund Swiss VAT?!
It has already been refunded dozens of times and this has been going on for a year. The money has to go somewhere. Either Amazon is keeping the money or the client gets it back upon request. Amazon of course will be giving some to Switzerland. But can Switzerland check how much Amazon (or any other seller) has made under this new system?! | 
29.01.2020, 14:34
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| | Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border. | Quote: | |  | | | I disagree. Switzerland has introduced the measure unilaterally. From an EU VAT area point of view, no VAT is due as the item is exported to a non-Eu country.
What do you mean 'if' they did refund Swiss VAT?!
It has already been refunded dozens of times and this has been going on for a year. The money has to go somewhere. Either Amazon is keeping the money or the client gets it back upon request. Amazon of course will be giving some to Switzerland. But can Switzerland check how much Amazon (or any other seller) has made under this new system?!  | | | | | "Switzerland has introduced the measure unilaterally." Of course, every country is free to decide how they tax imports.
"From an EU VAT area point of view, no EU VAT..." The EU has no jurisdiction over Swiss VAT. | This user groans at marton for this post: | | 
29.01.2020, 14:42
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| | Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border. | Quote: | |  | | | The EU has no jurisdiction over Swiss VAT. | | | | | I didn't say they did. But the transaction/sale is conducted in the EU. It is not CH charging the EU. It's Amazon charging it at the moment of the transaction. It's eligible for a refund after successful delivery because it originated/took place in the EU VAT area, but was destined for a third country.
This is particularly true of sales where the VAT is under CHF 5.
Why do you think when I asked Amazon FR/IT/UK to refund it they did so?!
It appears, as you can see from the snip of the UK transaction, that they also refund it when it is over CHF 5. This even surprised me at first as I really thought they would say no the VAT is correct.
This remains unclear for me: can Switzerland check how much Amazon (or any other seller) has made under this new system?!
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29.01.2020, 14:56
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| | Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.
If the company has a Swiss VAT number than it is the companies responsibility to pay the applicable VAT. So, a VAT refund by the company is just a rebate but not a tax evasion from the costumers point of view.
We can lookup Amazon's Swiss VAT numbers quite easily https://www.uid.admin.ch/
All I want to know is what are the magic words, and to which e-mail address do I have I send them to get a VAT refund | The following 2 users would like to thank aSwissInTheUS for this useful post: | | 
29.01.2020, 15:10
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| | Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border. | Quote: | |  | | | to which e-mail address do I have I send them to get a VAT refund  | | | | | IT - cs-reply@amazon.it or contact them via help section options / chat
FR - cs-reply@amazon.fr or contact them via help section options / chat
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29.01.2020, 15:17
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| | Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.
UK has a special address, had to look for it in emails - b2b-refund@amazon.co.uk
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01.02.2020, 13:12
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| | Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border. | Quote: | |  | | | If it can't be shipped here, I don't buy it | | | | | Then obviously you are heavily limiting what you can purchase and/or paying more. So many things are simply unavailable in Switzerland, or if they are available, they are triple the price or more and only arrive after a few weeks at best. | 
01.02.2020, 13:39
| | Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border. | Quote: | |  | | | Then obviously you are heavily limiting what you can purchase and/or paying more. So many things are simply unavailable in Switzerland, or if they are available, they are triple the price or more and only arrive after a few weeks at best.  | | | | | Because driving over the border has become impossible or something like that?
Give things a thought before you type them down | This user groans at for this post: | | 
01.02.2020, 17:08
| | Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border. | Quote: | |  | | | Then obviously you are heavily limiting what you can purchase and/or paying more. So many things are simply unavailable in Switzerland, or if they are available, they are triple the price or more and only arrive after a few weeks at best.  | | | | |
This is rubbish, sure some things are more expensive, some are even cheaper, you just need to know how to look and negotiate.
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01.02.2020, 17:25
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| | Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border. | Quote: |  | | | This is rubbish, sure some things are more expensive, some are even cheaper, you just need to know how to look and negotiate. | | | | | Right. Drugs are usually cheaper in DE
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01.02.2020, 17:28
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| | Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border. | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Update: Amazon FR have now provided a direct email address: vat_refund@amazon.fr | Quote: | |  | | | Right. Drugs are usually cheaper in DE | | | | | And you get the tax back! | 
01.02.2020, 17:47
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| | Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border. | Quote: |  | | | This is rubbish, sure some things are more expensive, some are even cheaper, you just need to know how to look and negotiate. | | | | | I had to go to Germany yesterday and stopped for lunch in an Italian restaurant. For euro 12.5 had soup, fillet of pork in pepper sauce with rosemary roast potatoes, a small dessert and an espresso, for an extra euro 5.5 two Deci red wine.
Here in Switzerland, two Deci red wine alone would cost almost as much as my whole lunch cost.
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01.02.2020, 17:52
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| | Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border. | Quote: | |  | | | I had to go to Germany yesterday and stopped for lunch in an Italian restaurant. For euro 12.5 had soup, fillet of pork in pepper sauce with rosemary roast potatoes, a small dessert and an espresso, for an extra euro 5.5 two Deci red wine.
Here in Switzerland, two Deci red wine alone would cost almost as much as my whole lunch cost. | | | | | There are plenty of places around here that offer the same kind of thing at lunchtime for around 15chf. Lunch menus are good value here.
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01.02.2020, 18:03
| | Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border. | Quote: | |  | | | There are plenty of places around here that offer the same kind of thing at lunchtime for around 15chf. Lunch menus are good value here. | | | | | In or around Zürich you will not find:
- Espresso
- Small Dessert
- Soup
- Pork filet with potatoes
For anything close to 15,- chf. I'd say this starts at 30,- at the most cheap places
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01.02.2020, 18:07
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| | Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border. | Quote: |  | | | This is rubbish, sure some things are more expensive, some are even cheaper, you just need to know how to look and negotiate. | | | | | Negotiate? Are you joking.Bargaining in the supermarket? | This user would like to thank omtatsat for this useful post: | | 
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| | Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border. | Quote: | |  | | | Negotiate? Are you joking. | | | | | Exactly. How is that meant to work? Email the CH website and ask for 50% off the item price citing 'if not I'll buy it in Germany' because it is more than 50% cheaper there?! | 
01.02.2020, 18:12
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| | Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border. | Quote: | |  | | | Exactly. How is that meant to work? Email the CH website and ask for 50% off the item price citing 'if not I'll buy it in Germany' because it is more than 50% cheaper there?!  | | | | | No its " if not i'll blow your house apart"
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28.02.2020, 22:00
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| | Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border. | Quote: | |  | | | I had to go to Germany yesterday and stopped for lunch in an Italian restaurant. For euro 12.5 had soup, fillet of pork in pepper sauce with rosemary roast potatoes, a small dessert and an espresso, for an extra euro 5.5 two Deci red wine.
Here in Switzerland, two Deci red wine alone would cost almost as much as my whole lunch cost. | | | | | Was over there today again, contrary to rumour the shelves had plenty of stock.
Got talking to a Swiss guy who said if his purchases were less than 50 euro then he just bought a gift certificate to qualify for the tax refund.
This time I had soup, pork steak with mozzarella, potato gratin and espresso for euro 14.5. | The following 2 users would like to thank marton for this useful post: | | 
15.03.2020, 08:26
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As of yesterday afternoon the German customs authorities decided not to stamp the VAT tax forms at the Swiss border. https://m.20min.ch/finance/news/stor...-mehr-21033793 | The following 2 users would like to thank Mrs. Doolittle for this useful post: | |
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