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Well I can understand why people living on the border shop in Germany. That makes sense.But some German products just are not the quality of Swiss-dairy products and meat for example.

And as I said,one can save in other ways instead of spending your hard earned free time in shopping in Germany.
Most of the eggs and meat sold in Switzerland are imported; remember the suppliers can legally label many things as Swiss even if they are only packed here

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Well I can understand why people living on the border shop in Germany. That makes sense.But some German products just are not the quality of Swiss-dairy products and meat for example.
On the other hand, I much prefer Italian beef and veal to Swiss, PROVIDED one buys it from the right place (supermarkets generally do not sell dry-aged beef and veal).

I know two, one in Ponte Tresa, and one in Trieste, which works for us.

As for dairy products, Italian products are as good as Swiss, but different types from what is available as a Swiss product.

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Old 18.09.2016, 10:39
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Most of the eggs and meat sold in Switzerland are imported; remember the suppliers can legally label many things as Swiss even if they are only packed here
That's why I buy my eggs and a lot if my meat directly from the farm/producer.
You can taste the difference and can be sure that all the money is going directly to them and not to the 'middle man'.
The eggs I buy cost 6 chf for 18 from the producer but the same eggs sell for 70 cents each at the local Manor.
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Most of the eggs and meat sold in Switzerland are imported; remember the suppliers can legally label many things as Swiss even if they are only packed here
Have you got an example of this? I can't find one.

Migros, for example, seems to be quite open in stating that their chicken comes from Denmark, Brasil, variable, or even Switzerland.
Lidl states that their chicken is either Swiss, or from Germany.

Eggs seem to be quite clearly labelled too.
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Most of the eggs and meat sold in Switzerland are imported; remember the suppliers can legally label many things as Swiss even if they are only packed here

Quote "While home production almost covers or exceeds the domestic requirements for milk and dairy products, substantial quantities of eggs and meat must be imported.

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So whats the issue? This observation seems more of an advantage to improve the quality
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Old 18.09.2016, 11:51
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The eggs I buy cost 6 chf for 18 from the producer but the same eggs sell for 70 cents each at the local Manor.
And the ones I buy cost 60c each from either the producer or the local Denner.

And the chicken farmer even married us (he was also the mayor at the time).

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And the ones I buy cost 60c each from either the producer or the local Denner.

And the chicken farmer even married us (he was also the mayor at the time).

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I love the way Denner store have the freedom to sell local and ethnic products. We stocked up on Portuguese products at the Fribourg one
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Have you got an example of this? I can't find one.

Migros, for example, seems to be quite open in stating that their chicken comes from Denmark, Brasil, variable, or even Switzerland.
Lidl states that their chicken is either Swiss, or from Germany.

Eggs seem to be quite clearly labelled too.
How would you tell from the label that a product labelled Swiss actually has a high proportion of non-Swiss ingredients.

The actual legal practice is not really clearly stated and is based on the rules laid down in Article 48 of the Trademark Law and a 1968 ruling issued by the trade court of St. Gallen, here are two conditions that must be fulfilled for goods to be legally labelled as being of Swiss origin:

The Swiss portion of the production cost must be at least 50%.
The most important part of the manufacturing process must have taken place in Switzerland.

So if you have a packaging process that uses packaging made in Switzerland and the process costs more than 50% of the production cost then you have a Swiss product.

The laws will be tightened next year especially for food products.
Some curiosities;
Using Swiss water does not make a product Swiss unless the water has "special properties".
Dark chocolate and coffee are exceptions since the ingredients are not available in Switzerland.
The Govt. decided against demanding 100% of production costs and ingredients from Switzerland since very few products would comply!
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Old 18.09.2016, 12:14
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I love the way Denner store have the freedom to sell local and ethnic products. We stocked up on Portuguese products at the Fribourg one
One of the owners of ours is Serbian, so they carry some Serbian products, among other oddities that one doesn't find everywhere.

And cheeses and meat products from a local farmer that we know, the best breads, etc.

That's why I do most of my shopping there (and they always warn me when wine will be on sale, and how much would I like to pre-order )

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How would you tell from the label that a product labelled Swiss actually has a high proportion of non-Swiss ingredients.

The actual legal practice is not really clearly stated and is based on the rules laid down in Article 48 of the Trademark Law and a 1968 ruling issued by the trade court of St. Gallen, here are two conditions that must be fulfilled for goods to be legally labelled as being of Swiss origin:

The Swiss portion of the production cost must be at least 50%.
The most important part of the manufacturing process must have taken place in Switzerland.

So if you have a packaging process that uses packaging made in Switzerland and the process costs more than 50% of the production cost then you have a Swiss product.

The laws will be tightened next year especially for food products.
Some curiosities;
Using Swiss water does not make a product Swiss unless the water has "special properties".
Dark chocolate and coffee are exceptions since the ingredients are not available in Switzerland.
The Govt. decided against demanding 100% of production costs and ingredients from Switzerland since very few products would comply!
I thought we discussing milk, meat etc and not 'ready meals.'
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I love the way Denner store have the freedom to sell local and ethnic products. We stocked up on Portuguese products at the Fribourg one
One near us has lots of Turkish products and another a lot if Portuguese stuff.
Because they are franchises they have the freedom to offer things outside the normal Denner selection.

The bread is lousy in both of them, though.

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The bread is lousy in both if them, though.
Like many things, it's a local thing and if they have a crap supplier, that's what you get.

Fortunately, our's chooses a great supplier, as for the cheeses.

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And the ones I buy cost 60c each from either the producer or the local Denner.


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So either the Denner is buying them for less than producer sells the for direct to the customer or they are selling them at the same price they paid for them.

I wonder which one it is?
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Most of the eggs and meat sold in Switzerland are imported; remember the suppliers can legally label many things as Swiss even if they are only packed here

Quote "While home production almost covers or exceeds the domestic requirements for milk and dairy products, substantial quantities of eggs and meat must be imported.

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I try to get my eggs and chicken as well as other meats from as local a place as possible and refuse to buy anything that points to cage/battery/generally non-free range farmed eggs, chickens etc.

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Eggs seem to be quite clearly labelled too.
On Migros eggs there should be a code from which you can find out which farmer the eggs are from, and researching that farmer can yield much info.

General info on egg codes, chicken living conditions etc. (German)
General info on how to trace an egg's source (German)

On the other hand, there was a huge quail egg scandal some time ago, where Migros recalled all their quail eggs after it surfaced that the supplier had been giving them Spanish eggs.
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I'd pay twice as much for Swiss milk as we do presently.

Swiss dairy farmers, like U.K. dairy farmers cannot survive with the prices that supermarkets pay them for the milk.

It's not all about quality (there are EU standards for that) but taste too.

I guess if people can't taste the difference then it doesn't matter where they shop and what they buy - they may as well buy the cheapest.
For me it doesn't have so much to do with taste, but more the conditions the animals live(d) in.

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Well I can understand why people living on the border shop in Germany. That makes sense.But some German products just are not the quality of Swiss-dairy products and meat for example.

And as I said,one can save in other ways instead of spending your hard earned free time in shopping in Germany.
Can save, not must. As for quality, the discussion is flourishing nicely.

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I thought we discussing milk, meat etc and not 'ready meals.'
Six eggs from East Europe, cost 40 Rappen.
Pack them in a nice Swiss made carton, cost 50 Rappen
LO! Swiss labelled eggs, consumer price CHF 2.-

As a matter of interest Co-op label some of their imported eggs as Swiss produced, here.

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I try to get my eggs and chicken as well as other meats from as local a place as possible and refuse to buy anything that points to cage/battery/generally non-free range farmed eggs, chickens etc.

KTipp article



On Migros eggs there should be a code from which you can find out which farmer the eggs are from, and researching that farmer can yield much info.

General info on egg codes, chicken living conditions etc. (German)
General info on how to trace an egg's source (German)

On the other hand, there was a huge quail egg scandal some time ago, where Migros recalled all their quail eggs after it surfaced that the supplier had been giving them Spanish eggs.
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For me it doesn't have so much to do with taste, but more the conditions the animals live(d) in.



Can save, not must. As for quality, the discussion is flourishing nicely.
"For me it doesn't have so much to do with taste, but more the conditions the animals live(d) in. " The only way you can guarantee that that what you eat does not cause bad living conditions for animals is to become a vegetarian.

Myself I am not vegetarian
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Six eggs from East Europe, cost 40 Rappen.
Pack them in a nice Swiss made carton, cost 50 Rappen
LO! Swiss labelled eggs, consumer price CHF 2.-

As a matter of interest Co-op label some of their imported eggs as Swiss produced, here.

Next question?
On the Bio eggs it explicitly says "Raw materials origin: Switzerland (Eier)". From this I deduce that the eggs are Swiss.
Whereas the PG eggs say "Country of production: Switzerland". So obviously imported.
Naturafarm Swiss Free Range eggs: "Country of production: Switzerland, Raw materials origin: Switzerland (Eier)". From this, again, I deduce the eggs are Swiss.

Wherever the raw materials' (eggs') origin isn't clearly declared on the box (or/and, more importantly, on the eggs), I deduce that they are imported. Those which are labeled as Swiss should be traceable to the farm they are sourced from.

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"For me it doesn't have so much to do with taste, but more the conditions the animals live(d) in. " The only way you can guarantee that that what you eat does not cause bad living conditions for animals is to become a vegetarian.

Myself I am not vegetarian
I disagree with you on this, I do not need to become a vegetarian/vegan for that. Being cautious is sufficient in my book. Anyway, what consists "bad living conditions" would open a whole new discussion (and can of worms, possibly) so let's leave that for another thread, k?
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I guess if people can't taste the difference then it doesn't matter where they shop and what they buy - they may as well buy the cheapest.
Taste is personal....I prefer the Allgäu Emmental cheese to the Swiss. It's not a question of can't taste the difference, I can and make an informed choice. The fact that it is cheaper is a win. But, someone else may prefer the original. Same with many of the German yoghurts, etc...

As the French say: you can't discuss taste and colour....
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So either the Denner is buying them for less than producer sells the for direct to the customer or they are selling them at the same price they paid for them.

I wonder which one it is?
I don't, there is no reason for the farmer to undersell his major customer, and plenty not to.

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Taste is personal....I prefer the Allgäu Emmental cheese to the Swiss. It's not a question of can't taste the difference, I can and make an informed choice. The fact that it is cheaper is a win. But, someone else may prefer the original. Same with many of the German yoghurts, etc...

As the French say: you can't discuss taste and colour....
Anyway it is often claimed the finest of the Swiss Emmental is exported.

I know I ate some Swiss Emmental in South Africa that tasted much better than the local stuff here.
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