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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

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Taste is personal....I prefer the Allgäu Emmental cheese to the Swiss. It's not a question of can't taste the difference, I can and make an informed choice. The fact that it is cheaper is a win. But, someone else may prefer the original. Same with many of the German yoghurts, etc...

As the French say: you can't discuss taste and colour....
So you'd never buy a wine based on the fact that it had won several awards, or anything else because it came top in taste tests because, as you say, taste is personal?

I'd agreed with that to a degree but I'm sure you'd agree that when a chef at a Michelin-starred restaurant is tasting a dish to seasoning etc, he is making a more informed decision with better judgement than most people.

I guess you ignore restaurant reviews too?
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http://www.srf.ch/sendungen/kassenst...den-hersteller

Found a clip on how one can trace origins of one's meat purchased in Swiss shops.

The contents within the oval are apparently the important bit, not the wording/address on a product's packaging.


Above link also contains the links with which one can trace imported, Volg and Spar eggs, as well as the phone number one can call to trace Coop eggs.

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So you'd never buy a wine based on the fact that it had won several awards, or anything else because it came top in taste tests because, as you say, taste is personal?

I'd agreed with that to a degree but I'm sure you'd agree that when a chef at a Michelin-starred restaurant is tasting a dish to seasoning etc, he is making a more informed decision with better judgement than most people.

I guess you ignore restaurant reviews too?
No, I wouldn't buy a wine based on those criteria. That's not me, but that's personal. Do I read restaurant reviews? Yes, I do. But that doesn't mean I always agree with the review once I have been there.

And yes, I agree that a chef is making a more informed decision than most...
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

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Found a clip on how one can trace origins of one's meat purchased in Swiss shops.

The contents within the oval are apparently the important bit, not the wording/address on a product's packaging.


Above link also contains the links with which one can trace imported, Volg and Spar eggs, as well as the phone number one can call to trace Coop eggs.
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According to the article only two thirds of eggs sold in Switzerland are marked.
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According to the article only two thirds of eggs sold in Switzerland are marked.
The ones I've seen (Migros, Coop) are marked - I always open the boxes in store and check if there's a stamp on the eggs. If they aren't marked, I don't buy them.

As for meat packaging, I'd like it to be mandatory for all places to be clearly mentioned on the packaging - where was the meat sourced (which farm is the animal from), how was it brought up (organic, bio, caged, battery farmed etc.), where was the meat treated (converted from hunks of meat into e.g. ground beef, sausages etc.)

Wishful thinking probably - but I think Swiss regulations are going in the right direction.

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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

Why the groan, BM?

(me, complaining about a groan, ok)

But really, buying from the local farmer or at a shop selling his stuff, it's all the same price around here, and makes sense for the farmer.

He gets a better deal, and doesn't undercut his customers, win-win I'd say.

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Old 18.09.2016, 19:51
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But really, buying from the local farmer or at a shop selling his stuff, it's all the same price around here, and makes sense for the farmer.

He gets a better deal, and doesn't undercut his customers, win-win I'd say.

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Except that there's no incentive for the retail customers to buy from the farmer, which usually comes with the inconvenience of going to multiple farms rather than conveniently buying at a single spot. I want my fair share of the cake.
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Except that there's no incentive for the retail customers to buy from the farmer, which usually comes with the inconvenience of going to multiple farms rather than conveniently buying at a single spot. I want my fair share of the cake.
The incentive is that you feel better about it.

There is certainly no financial incentive.

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Why the groan, BM?

(me, complaining about a groan, ok)

But really, buying from the local farmer or at a shop selling his stuff, it's all the same price around here, and makes sense for the farmer.

He gets a better deal, and doesn't undercut his customers, win-win I'd say.

Tom
Accidental scrolling groan.


But how do you know how much the shop paid for the produce?
It's not much of a win for the farmer if they're paying significantly less than the customers buying directly from him. The shops are not going to sell it for the same price they I paid for it so it stands to reason that be is selling it to them much cheaper. The only thing he gets from it is a bigger volume of sales in one hit.

I'd rather buy directly from the farmer and know that be was getting the whole amount personally.

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But how do you know how much the shop paid for the produce?
It's not much of a win for the farmer if they're paying significantly less than the customers buying directly from him. The shops are not going to sell it for the same price they I paid for it so it stands to reason that be is selling it to them much cheaper. The only thing he gets from it is a bigger volume of sales I. One hit.

I'd rather buy directly from the farmer and know that be was getting the whole amount personally.
Probably the farmer sells more to Denner (volume-wise) and does so in more reliable/stable frequencies and amounts than an individual customer would buy/order eggs from the farmer.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

The fact we don't always know the origin of the ingredients is one thing.

What bugs me more is you can buy food here without having the ingredients stated, at all. I look everytime and sometimes I look at products I make myself at home, too. Not to buy it but to see how the ingredients vary from my recipe. Denner sells hummous of mystical ingredients. They can put anything they want in it, as long as there is a bit of chickpeas mush, garlic and cumin which can cover any fillers.
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What bugs me more is you can buy food here without having the ingredients stated, at all.
Can you give a few examples? AFAIK listing the production land (of the final product) and its ingredients is mandatory for all food. List of nutrients is voluntary though.
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Can you give a few examples? AFAIK listing the production land (of the final product) and its ingredients is mandatory for all food. List of nutrients is voluntary though.
Coop milk bottles are funny - the ingredient list states: Milch. Uh, wasn't that obvious from the fact that it's a MILK bottle?
On the other hand, Coop solely listing milk as an ingredient leads me to believe that they don't add thickeners etc., which is a good thing.

Migros also lists (on Bio milks, don't know if they do it on others) that the milk comes from mountain regions. Not sure if Coop does that, will need to check.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

Urs - hummous, about a month ago. Past ten years I have been here, I have found medicin/food, without ingredients. These laws are recent, compared to EU, where they have been implemented long time ago. Whether they are reinforced here, or there, is another thing. I also find expired food products routinely (Manor seems to be worse, prices aren't the only reason I don't shop there). At least the cashiers now don't sneer but thank and report. I will list food without ingredients if I find it again.
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Urs - hummous, about a month ago. Past ten years I have been here, I have found medicin/food, without ingredients. These laws are recent, compared to EU, where they have been implemented long time ago. Whether they are reinforced here, or there, is another thing. I also find expired food products routinely (Manor seems to be worse, prices aren't the only reason I don't shop there). At least the cashiers now don't sneer but thank and report. I will list food without ingredients if I find it again.
"I also find expired food products routinely " True, that is really tedious; now I just hand them to the cashier without any additional comment!
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Urs - hummous, about a month ago. Past ten years I have been here, I have found medicin/food, without ingredients. These laws are recent, compared to EU, where they have been implemented long time ago.
Is that the chickpea paste you mentioned? Sorry if I'm being thick but I only find hummus (no "o") for that.

I would disagree with the ten years, food ingredients have been listed since I was a child (ie since the dark ages)(don't ask me about medicin). Perhaps not due to law but clearly in practice.

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If the largest printable area is small enough (less than 10cm^2) the ingredients listing may be omitted.
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I also find expired food products routinely (Manor seems to be worse, prices aren't the only reason I don't shop there).
The amazing thing is that there's no prescription on how to arrive at that date, effectively it's just a guess - probably part of the reason why you can consume most stuff till much later as the retailer would rather be too restrictive than too lax to avoid being held liable.
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Is that the chickpea paste you mentioned? Sorry if I'm being thick but I only find hummus (no "o") for that.

I would disagree with the ten years, food ingredients have been listed since I was a child (ie since the dark ages)(don't ask me about medicin). Perhaps not due to law but clearly in practice.

However, there's an exception:
If the largest printable area is small enough (less than 10cm^2) the ingredients listing may be omitted.
The amazing thing is that there's no prescription on how to arrive at that date, effectively it's just a guess - probably part of the reason why you can consume most stuff till much later as the retailer would rather be too restrictive than too lax to avoid being held liable.
"The amazing thing is that there's no prescription on how to arrive at that date, effectively it's just a guess - probably part of the reason why you can consume most stuff till much later as the retailer would rather be too restrictive than too lax to avoid being held liable"
True, but how I behave at home and my risk evaluation is different from the shelf policy behaviour I expect from a major retailer.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

I think Best By date is not trivial, there's science put in it. Just like prezentation, food styling, where in the store it will be offered...etc. I don't really care so much to get so wrapped up in it, I think it is mostly the price that makes one wonder if things should be a bit more professional. For expiry - I think if it's exprired it shouldn't be offered. And if it's nearing the expiration date, my thrifty part of me imagines the magic discount word

I got amazing (Swiss) porkchops in Denner for 2fr the other day, totally unplanned.

One thing about different chains in different countries, have you noticed how different the food locations are in different countries? I am not talking about Lidl in Germany or Lidl in CH. But say Casino offers stuff in different order..and the one in Divonne has the overpriced international specialties right at the entrance, obviously. Actually - that just changed, it is wines now.

I think after a while of shopping internationally your brain routes you intuitively, but it is interesting. Carrefours are so big (and cold), it is a workout, I miss my local little cozy (overpriced) shops.
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... is different from the shelf policy behaviour I expect from a major retailer.
Agreed. But it takes manpower to act on it which runs counter aggressive pricing - one of the not-so-nice effects of Lidl and Aldi perhaps.
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I think Best By date is not trivial, there's science put in it. Just like prezentation, food styling, where in the store it will be offered...etc. I don't really care so much to get so wrapped up in it, I think it is mostly the price that makes one wonder if things should be a bit more professional. For expiry - I think if it's exprired it shouldn't be offered. And if it's nearing the expiration date, my thrifty part of me imagines the magic discount word
15-25 years ago there seemed to be a lot more "Letzter Verkaufstag" stuff than nowadays. To be honest, I don't even look at the date when I'm shopping, although I do miss the corner of the cooler where they used to have all that kind of stuff.
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