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Old 19.09.2016, 16:25
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

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http://www.srf.ch/sendungen/kassenst...den-hersteller

Found a clip on how one can trace origins of one's meat purchased in Swiss shops.

The contents within the oval are apparently the important bit, not the wording/address on a product's packaging.


Above link also contains the links with which one can trace imported, Volg and Spar eggs, as well as the phone number one can call to trace Coop eggs.
Think it will take a while for me to fully understand this system?
Bought some Argentinian prawns in Lidl today and in the oval were the letters DE.
So does this mean the packaging was performed in Germany and it cost more than the prawns?
Or is there an Argentinian prawns factory lurking somewhere on the German coast?
Or were the prawns caught by a German ship in the Atlantic?

In addition to DE was;
BY-EFB-502
EC

Tried to look up these numbers but failed
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Think it will take a while for me to fully understand this system?
Bought some Argentinian prawns in Lidl today and in the oval were the letters DE.
So does this mean the packaging was performed in Germany and it cost more than the prawns?
Or is there an Argentinian prawns factory lurking somewhere on the German coast?
Or were the prawns caught by a German ship in the Atlantic?

In addition to DE was;
BY-EFB-502
EC

Tried to look up these numbers but failed
The code (DE) means IMO that the meat was last treated in Germany, "Hersteller" in the article I take to be the person who created (herstellen is German for "to create") the final product which one finds in the shop. He used - according to your text - Argentinian prawns to do so.

Can you take a picture of the package and labels? Might help us solve your meat mystery.

For some meat products purchased in Germany, there is a service which you can apparently use to trace your meat. Participating stores are listed here.

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Old 19.09.2016, 16:40
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

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In addition to DE was;
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Packed in Germany to EU standards. The middle code gives traceability but probably not an easy task for mere mortals.

I should think that unless the prawns specifically said something like "North Atlantic", they probably come from some muddy, salinated ex-rice paddy in Asia.
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Old 19.09.2016, 17:01
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Think it will take a while for me to fully understand this system?
Bought some Argentinian nprawns in Lidl today and in the oval were the letters DE.
So does this mean the packaging was performed in Germany and it cost more than the prawns?
Or is there an Argentinian prawns factory lurking somewhere on the German coast?
Or were the prawns caught by a German ship in the Atlantic?

In addition to DE was;
BY-EFB-502
EC

Tried to look up these numbers but failed
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I should think that unless the prawns specifically said something like "North Atlantic", they probably come from some muddy, salinated ex-rice paddy in Asia.
Crickey they must have swum a long way before they were caught.

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Old 19.09.2016, 20:18
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Crickey they must have swum along way before they were caught.
Asia was a guess as I completely missed the word "Argentinian".


Anyway, the middle letters are for: Prime Catch Seafood GmbH. They are probably caught from the South Atlantic waters off Argentina (that was a google) so they're probably not farmed.
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Old 19.09.2016, 22:09
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

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The code (DE) means IMO that the meat was last treated in Germany, "Hersteller" in the article I take to be the person who created (herstellen is German for "to create") the final product which one finds in the shop. He used - according to your text - Argentinian prawns to do so.

Can you take a picture of the package and labels? Might help us solve your meat mystery.

For some meat products purchased in Germany, there is a service which you can apparently use to trace your meat. Participating stores are listed here.
No photos of the packet; it has already gone to a better place.

However the prawns here!
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Old 19.09.2016, 22:12
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

Realistically, we spend more over the border, as we buy higher and more expensive quality than we would here.

If we buy over the border, it's to buy t-bone and lobster, NOT hamburger and salmon.

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Old 19.09.2016, 22:20
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

Interesting experiment by Lidl; 20% off almost everything in their Winterthur, Töss shop from 17:00 to closing time.
Source (German language).

Their base prices are higher than Lidl in Germany so they will have room to play.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

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Realistically, we spend more over the border, as we buy higher and more expensive quality than we would here.
Same here. My grocery shopping over the border, especially in Italy, is mostly to buy high quality food I would/could not afford (or hardly find) in Switzerland not to buy cheap crap.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

Speaking of meat sourcing:

According to Espresso (Swiss German), "Produktionsland Schweiz" or "Schweizer Produkt" is not necessarily a guarantee for Swiss meat.

If Produktionsland Schweiz is written on a piece of (unprocessed) meat, this means the meat is Swiss, that the animal grew up, was fed and slaughtered here.

If the meat product (meat processed in some way, that is, e.g. Lasagna etc.) contains less than 50% meat, the source of the meat does NOT have to be declared.
Many producers still declare the source of the meat in such products.


Coop Naturaplan/-farm put the name of the producer on their meat packaging.

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Old 20.09.2016, 17:42
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

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Speaking of meat sourcing:

According to Espresso (Swiss German), "Produktionsland Schweiz" or "Schweizer Produkt" is not necessarily a guarantee for Swiss meat.

If Produktionsland Schweiz is written on a piece of meat, this means the meat is Swiss, that the animal grew up, was fed and slaughtered here.

If the meat product (meat processed in some way, that is, e.g. Lasagna etc.) contains less than 50% meat, the source of the meat does NOT have to be declared.
Many producers still declare the source of the meat in such products.
Just to be clear; if I buy a Lasagne which has less than 50% meat and the packet is marked "Produktionsland Schweiz" then this is no guarantee it contains meat that came from an animal born and reared in Switzerland.

You have to read the small print and hope the manufacturer states the source of the meat used.
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Just to be clear; if I buy a Lasagne which has less than 50% meat and the packet is marked "Produktionsland Schweiz" then this is no guarantee it contains meat that came from an animal born and reared in Switzerland.

You have to read the small print and hope the manufacturer states the source of the meat used.
It means that the lasagna was created in CH, but it doesn't certify that the meat ingredient is Swiss - that's how I interpret the Espresso information.

If it is marked "Produktionsland Schweiz (Fleischherkunft: Schweiz)" I would trust that the meat is Swiss. Same as with the eggs (Post #77 in this thread).
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Think it will take a while for me to fully understand this system?
Bought some Argentinian prawns in Lidl today and in the oval were the letters DE.
So does this mean the packaging was performed in Germany and it cost more than the prawns?
Or is there an Argentinian prawns factory lurking somewhere on the German coast?
Or were the prawns caught by a German ship in the Atlantic?

In addition to DE was;
BY-EFB-502
EC


Tried to look up these numbers but failed

I think I found out what these numbers stand for:

Veterinärkontrollnummer (in Germany), and Identitätskennzeichen (in Switzerland). Numbers can be checked (and thus the meat can be sourced) here (for Germany) and here (for Switzerland). So I'd say you can probably source meat with a DE code with the first link and meat with a CH code with the second.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

A brand of Migros ready to eat meals contain Swiss meat only, apparently.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

We go once a week... Konstanz old town first for clothes, restaurants, atmosphere... then before we go home we get groceries.

On average we save more than what we spend. Most grocery items are less than 1/2 price in CH. Meat especially. I buy nice cuts of beef to grill. In DE they are 35-45 Euro per Kilo. In Switzerland, pork is that price.

We save more than 1000 per month and with the money we fill up our 3rd Pillar retirement account.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

For those who claim Swiss quality is better; Manor employees charged with ca. 4,000 cases of altering meat sell by dates and also claiming non-bio meat as bio.

Source (German language)
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For those who claim Swiss quality is better; Manor employees charged with ca. 4,000 cases of altering meat sell by dates and also claiming non-bio meat as bio.

Source (German language)
In my opinion, it is better quality than most.

They'll always be a few rogues in every industry.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

I just don't believe it. If you buy mostly Migros Budget (or the Coop equivalent), I'm pretty sure the price difference will become a lot smaller. Plus, you should buy seasonal.
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I just don't believe it. If you buy mostly Migros Budget (or the Coop equivalent), I'm pretty sure the price difference will become a lot smaller. Plus, you should buy seasonal.

Just one example, we got given a lot of foodie goodies before christmas from a friend, who went to shop for it in Germany (as she lives close to the border), amongst the gifted items were Pork filets, the only items with a price tag ....now a kilo pork filet at Migros from the M-Budget line is 34.90.- from what I calculated the price of the german filets was about 12-13 francs (converted) per kilo....
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

so to get the VAT back or to get it processed, do you ask the person at the cash register or at the customer service desk? We spent way more than 175euros at Hyper U in Pontalier last week and didn't know we could get the VAT back from there! or can we?

did a search on EF and web and didn't get the right info i was looking for! Thanks!
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