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Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

Hello.
I wondered for months. How much you save by grocery shop in Germany?
As I was under impression that I'm wasting my day by shopping in Germany and wanted to stop doing it... I did the calculation my self today.
223.00 Euro spent in Kaufland.
Same / similar shopping in Coop would of been 415 Euro. (subject to food quality etc)
10-15 Euro Diesel
Minimum 4-5h needed from Zug.
Savings of around 175 Euro.

Just in case some of you wondered too, worth or not.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping in Germany.

Not saying that shopping outside of CH is bad - but how much time would you have needed for the shop in CH as opposed to Germany, and what would you have wanted to do in that saved time?
Also, if you want to include the 19% VAT refund in the 223 Euros (looks like you didn't do that yet), you'd have to add driving costs of another trip to Germany.


IMO shopping outside of CH makes sense when
  • there are large savings (over 50% compared to CH) to be made by doing so - this includes price of items purchased, refunds, cost of transportation and food/drinks consumed during the shopping trip
  • items aren't available in CH

It looks like you got a pretty good deal, but probably not good enough for me to have taken the trip just yet

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Re: Savings - grocery shopping in Germany.

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Not saying that shopping outside of CH is bad - but how much time would you have needed for the shop in CH as opposed to Germany, and what would you have wanted to do in that saved time?
I'm thinking in this direction as your quote above.
Hence I did the calculation.
As work starts to pick up, Saturday becomes even more important, than spending it driving and shopping in what is quite a busy environment.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping in Germany.

We shop in Italy because a) we are already there or b) we need something special.

Savings on groceries don't warrant a special trip (only 4% VAT on groceries, not worth reclaiming), motorcycle parts often do.

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Re: Savings - grocery shopping in Germany.

4-5 hours minimum just to go shopping?

I can think of plenty of things I'd rather be doing on a Saturday than spending that amount of time shopping.

By shopping smartly and taking advantage of offers you can reduce costs in Switzerland too. Not shopping in coop would be a good start. You might not be able to bring the total down to the German level but you could get it much closer and save yourself the stress and hassle of the trips to Germany, or at least make the trips less frequently.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping in Germany.

We go twice a year - because of the six month limit on claiming tax back.

We mainly stock up on toothpaste, brushes, other stuff like that and a few things we either can't easily get in Switzerland or have a very unreasonable mark-up here.

We fill two large trolleys, are finished by about 9.00 in the morning and spend the rest of the day doing something fun in the vicinity of Konstanz (aquarium, Mainau, Stein am Rhein etc)
and have a meal somewhere too.
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We shop in Italy because a) we are already there or b) we need something special
Talking of special Tom, a very nice shopping centre near the Alfa Romeo museum - Il Centro - Centro Commerciale (Via Giuseppe Eugenio Luraghi, 11, 20020 Arese MI, Italian)

I loved the Iper market there. We drove in Italy coming back to Switzerland from a long drive and needed some nappies, ask the lady on the toll charge that we need a shop and she send us there. Great discovery.

Loved the set up of the shop especially the veg and cheese counters!
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping in Germany.

We should't forget that some people earn 4000-5000 chf a month, some less.
Based on a cursory calculation (family of 5, 3 children), saving of 175 euro a trip, based on a every other Saturday, 26 weeks = 4550 euro of savings per year.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping in Germany.

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Not saying that shopping outside of CH is bad - but how much time would you have needed for the shop in CH as opposed to Germany, and what would you have wanted to do in that saved time?
Also, if you want to include the 19% VAT refund in the 223 Euros (looks like you didn't do that yet), you'd have to add driving costs of another trip to Germany.


IMO shopping outside of CH makes sense when
  • there are large savings (over 50% compared to CH) to be made by doing so - this includes price of items purchased, refunds, cost of transportation and food/drinks consumed during the shopping trip
  • items aren't available in CH

It looks like you got a pretty good deal, but probably not good enough for me to have taken the trip just yet
Works out about 50% of the local groceries, even when done in Denner. But this is in France. And we pretty much have to do it since there has been no or minimal childsupport for years.

I love shopping in France, Casino and Carrefour cheap brands are top, the stuff we eat, that is. And we get some neat art supplies, and school stuff for peanuts. It is a few kms away, too. It is a pleasant experience, as opposed to cutting out coupons here, spending too much time watching sales or bulk offers (I am a single mom with a job and studies on top). Migroop is a rip off, Denner works if one feeds more mouths.

Good thread, OP.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping in Germany.

Maybe the thread title should be changed to 'shopping over the border'; as there are several posts about Italy and France as well. Another cross border shopper from France here; what really attracts me is the opening hours, can easily shop til 9pm. Swiss markets have improved hours to compete but still not close to France ' opening hours.
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Hello.
I wondered for months. How much you save by grocery shop in Germany?
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Savings of around 175 Euro.

Just in case some of you wondered too, worth or not.
Sure, it could work if you eat/use everything you buy. I've done this and later found I didn't really use up everything I bought. So you may have to do this more strategically and consciously.

I'll typically buy things that do not expire; dried goods, cleaning products, etc. And then as needed, buy fresh produce, dairy and meats from Coop.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping in Germany.

France here - generally weekly as it is 15 mins drive over the border. Petrol, cheese, dairy - particularly butter and yoghurt, meat, toiletries, the odd bit of school supplies - these are all hands down money savers.

And print - magazines, books and newspapers. I am more than happy to buy another issue of some childrens' magazine when it is a couple of euros - as opposed to 7chf 50 in the kiosk shop at the station. Same goes for books too.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping in Germany.

A question to those who bulk buy dry food (cereals, tinned food, etc) - where do you store your haul? In your Keller? Oder?

We have a reduit where I keep some of my haul, as I am not sure the cereals will keep in our Keller. But I am rapidly running out of space!

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A question to those who bulk buy dry food (cereals, tinned food, etc) - where do you store your haul? In your Keller? Oder?

We have a reduit where I keep some of my haul, as I am not sure the cereals will keep in our Keller. But I am rapidly running out of space!

TIA
That depends a lot on your cellar. In my old apartment it was very humid with gravel on the floor. I couldn't store food things there but it was great for wine ;-). Now I have a concrete floor and it's well isulated so no problem in storing things. My parents have a air-raid shelter (the joys of Swiss homes...) and they store everything there. Maybe best to try with some food and keep checking if you feel it goes bad.
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A question to those who bulk buy dry food (cereals, tinned food, etc) - where do you store your haul? In your Keller? Oder?

We have a reduit where I keep some of my haul, as I am not sure the cereals will keep in our Keller. But I am rapidly running out of space!

TIA
Rice flour pasta ans cereals can all contain that little weavil/worm thing (apologies for the non technical name) so you'd be as well to keep them in airtight containers so as not to infect your whole reduit ...

Or in the freezer if you have space ..
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Rice flour pasta ans cereals can all contain that little weavil/worm thing (apologies for the non technical name) so you'd be as well to keep them in airtight containers so as not to infect your whole reduit ...

Or in the freezer if you have space ..
Amen to that. It took me months to finally be rid of those little blighters. Just when I thought I'd got rid of them another one would pop up.
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And print - magazines, books and newspapers. I am more than happy to buy another issue of some childrens' magazine when it is a couple of euros - as opposed to 7chf 50 in the kiosk shop at the station. Same goes for books too.
Magazines and books are really expensive! Imagine my surprise when two Donald Duck comic strips costed me Fr 38!!!! *

Now we try to get them in Germany. Or at the local Brocki, where they cost between Fr 2-5 each!

* yes, I am guilty as charged for not looking at the prices before I "approved" the purchase
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

Well you probably have a good wage. So why dont you cut back in other areas so that you dont have to run around with this shopping thing looking to save a few Franks.
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Hello.
I wondered for months. How much you save by grocery shop in Germany?
As I was under impression that I'm wasting my day by shopping in Germany and wanted to stop doing it... I did the calculation my self today.
223.00 Euro spent in Kaufland.
Same / similar shopping in Coop would of been 415 Euro. (subject to food quality etc)
10-15 Euro Diesel
Minimum 4-5h needed from Zug.
Savings of around 175 Euro.

Just in case some of you wondered too, worth or not.
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Well you probably have a good wage. So why dont you cut back in other areas so that you dont have to run around with this shopping thing looking to save a few Franks.
You had nothing to do on a Saturday night and you wrote me something I already know?
And NO. I don't have a good wage, and yet you don't me hearing complaining that the rubish bags are very expensive in Switzerland.
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You had nothing to do on a Saturday night and you wrote me something I already know?
And NO. I don't have a good wage, and yet you don't me hearing complaining that the rubish bags are very expensive in Switzerland.
Sometimes it's hard to comprehend that people can have differing priorities
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Amen to that. It took me months to finally be rid of those little blighters. Just when I thought I'd got rid of them another one would pop up.
Popping flour (and possibly other stuff) in the freezer for 48 hours after buying has prevented the little sh*s showing up in my cabinet. Of course, if you see the package contents moving in the store, don't buy it

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