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Old 25.11.2016, 08:48
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Has the "alert level" raised?

Yesterday I saw 2 pairs of soldiers in Nyon near the train station and today 2 near the station in Geneva and 2 near Bel Air.

And no I'm not talking about the usual everyday sight of guys carrying an empty carbine and their suitcase - obviously going to or from training.

These were fully equipped soldiers with loaded weapons. First time I've seen it here.
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Old 25.11.2016, 08:55
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Re: Has the "alert level" raised?

Alert level???
You must be American
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Old 25.11.2016, 08:57
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Re: Has the "alert level" raised?

Two weekends ago, same thing at BSL and SBB (SNCF). French soldiers w/full combat kit and camo. It's not a regular thing, but not the first time I've seen it either.
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Alert level???
You must be American
TBH. When I saw them at BSL- it didn't really register, but later that morning when I saw the same thing at SBB, I asked my OH if there was "something I missed" while out of town.

...then I quipped, "surely it isn't a military exercise. The French appear to be advancing."
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Old 25.11.2016, 09:09
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Re: Has the "alert level" raised?

In France you see them frequently, especially in Paris, train stations, tourist attractions etc, the Frence are still on high alert, "Operation Vigipirate" or whatever they call it this time around.

There is credible (?) intelligence a terrorism attack may take place before Xmas in Europe so their is more visble security around although what it will do beats me.

Xmas market, full of people with shopping bags and a dedicated terrorist.....

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Old 25.11.2016, 09:18
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Re: Has the "alert level" raised?

It's Friday. Should the title be -

Has the "alert level" been raised?

or alternatively

Has the "alert level" risen?

The grammar experts can weight in.
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Old 25.11.2016, 09:25
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Re: Has the "alert level" raised?

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It's Friday. Should the title be -

Has the "alert level" been raised?

or alternatively

Has the "alert level" risen?

The grammar experts can weight in.
Risen would infer to me that it rose by itself, like a loaf of bread rises in the oven.. Been raised says that somebody did it, like a raising a flag

But in my humble opinion both are acceptable. But I'm Scottish, English is not my first language.
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Old 25.11.2016, 09:28
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Re: Has the "alert level" raised?

Thanks, Verbier, for the Friday dose of fun pedantry. Yes.

John, I don't know, really, and I cruise through the canton everyday. Tbh, it's not like hopping off the train in Lyon that I do every now and then and feel right in the middle a decent military training. Ah, the commie militia nostalgia...
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It's Friday. Should the title be -

Has the "alert level" been raised?

or alternatively

Has the "alert level" risen?

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"Been raised" implies a deliberate action on the part of somebody to raise something

"Risen" implies that whatever has risen has done so of it's own accord.

As this is an alert level then it cannot rise of it's own accord - somebody has to make the decision to raise it. Therefore IMO "Been raised" is correct.

Let the argument commence
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Old 25.11.2016, 09:30
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"Been raised" implies a deliberate action on the part of somebody to raise something

"Risen" implies that whatever has risen has done so of it's own accord.

As this is an alert level then it cannot rise of it's own accord - somebody has to make the decision to raise it. Therefore IMO "Been raised" is correct.

Let the argument commence
Did you just copy / paste my answer ?
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Did you just copy / paste my answer ?
Nope, you answered while I was still typing.

Glad we agree though
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Re: Has the "alert level" raised?

In the original title "alert level" is the subject and "raised" would need an object.
Has the "alert level" raised interest?
To my mind, as it stands it doesn't make sense.
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Re: Has the "alert level" raised?

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In the original title "alert level" is the subject and "raised" would need an object.
Has the "alert level" raised interest?
To my mind, as it stands it doesn't make sense.
that's why it is so good not to be a native English speaker. the title is perfectly clear to me
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Re: Has the "alert level" raised?

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"Been raised" implies a deliberate action on the part of somebody to raise something

"Risen" implies that whatever has risen has done so of it's own accord.

As this is an alert level then it cannot rise of it's own accord - somebody has to make the decision to raise it. Therefore IMO "Been raised" is correct.

Let the argument commence
*its* own accord, seeing as it's Friday!
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In the original title "alert level" is the subject and "raised" would need an object.
Has the "alert level" raised interest?
To my mind, as it stands it doesn't make sense.
Ah, but remember Longbyt. You come from a time where native English speakers could actually speak good English.

These days somebody with English as a second language almost certainly speaks far better English than that of half of the British population.

You only have to read the lowbrow British press to realise that the average level of English spoken by today's native speakers is atrocious.
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*its* own accord, seeing as it's Friday!
Oh, bugger off
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Ah, but remember Longbyt. You come from a time where native English speakers could actually speak good English.

These days somebody with English as a second language almost certainly speaks far better English than that of half of the British population.

You only have to read the lowbrow British press to realise that the average level of English spoken by today's native speakers is atrocious.
Spoken English is no "worse" (whatever that means) than it was in 1950, 1850 or 1750.
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Ah, but remember Longbyt. You come from a time where native English speakers could actually speak good English..
Maybe 'could' but often didn't. Check out 'Air Ada' on facebook! The local dialect I heard in my childhood. Not, of course, that I ever spoke like that. Perish the thought.
What has perhaps changed, is the level of English grammar and sentence construction which is considered acceptable in print. And if you read Swiss newspapers, you might have noticed a slipping of standards here too.

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Re: Has the "alert level" raised?

It's Friday, so the military will be knocking off around 16H to go home to do their washing and catch up on sleep so the alert level will sink itself / de-rise / deflate / ooze back to "meh" until Monday.
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Re: Has the "alert level" raised?

To bring this thread back on track, yes, France is still at the maximum level of alert called Plan Vigipirate (and it has been called that since 1995, actually).
It's called scarlet level (écarlate) when France is on the highest alert.
Chatter has been picked up for some time now that Christmas markets in places like Strasbourg would be a prime target for terrorists, and that plans have been hatched in the past.
It is a sensitive time of year for French national security. Since the attacks at Bataclan, the Stade de France, Nice, etc are still fresh in everyone's minds, I do not find it surprising that we will be seeing an enforced military presence at this time of year.
Bear in mind that visible military presence is also supposed to act as a deterrent.
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