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Old 18.01.2017, 00:23
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Re: What's the least you could live on in Switzerland

I generally prefer to let beef and game go past it's sell by date before eating it.

Same for cured meeats and cheese.

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Old 18.01.2017, 08:25
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Re: What's the least you could live on in Switzerland

You would - just to be perverse.
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Old 18.01.2017, 08:27
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Re: What's the least you could live on in Switzerland

If earning very little, you'd probably have access to other resources, such as social help. Things like health insurance gets covered by the state once you earn below a certain amount, I believe.

If you're a student (a typical low-earning demographic), you'd also have access to college sponsored resources - a friend of mine, when doing his Phd at the ETH, was on about 3,300 p.m. gross, but he paid a pittance for his subsidized accommodation.

As a result, what's the least you could live on in Switzerland is a bit difficult to gauge as your circumstance are a big factor at that level and access to free or subsidized resources can make a big difference to your possible budget.
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Old 18.01.2017, 08:28
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I generally prefer to let beef and game go past it's sell by date before eating it.

Same for cured meeats and cheese.

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In the UK you could have become a Freegan and raid the supermarket bins for all the out of date produce. That would bring the cost of living down substantially. Of course you would have to fight the other binshoppers for the best cuts

Not sure what happens to the out of date products from supermarkets in Switzerland?
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Old 18.01.2017, 08:32
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Not sure what happens to the out of date products from supermarkets in Switzerland?
According to a TV expose a few years back, Coop relabels them and puts them back on the shelf.
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Re: What's the least you could live on in Switzerland

When I started out in Switzerland as an intern, I used to earn 3800CHF gross in Zürich.
Which, especially coming from Italy, were an amazing amount of money.

I was on Cloud 9, then I started noticing worried co-workers, and questions about how I was managing to survive on that amount. Some bought me a few dinners out of pity..sorry I meant kindness

In the meanwhile, not only I was doing quite ok (going out, eating good food, etc.), I was also putting savings aside.
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Old 18.01.2017, 11:44
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Re: What's the least you could live on in Switzerland

I don't know that many people who actually shop in Migros or Coop, it is quite pricey. Denner, max. Even with discounts and bulk shopping, Migroop prices rack up too fast. We eat healthily and I cook everyday to teach my kid and to be creative, to invest in herself well, avoid the usual quick snack traps here: sandwich/coke/redbull/cheesetart stuff. Most of my students consider Mom (rarely Dad) made home lunch in tupperwear a healthy bonus to brag about to eachother.

I think the question here should be - what's the least one wants to live on.
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According to a TV expose a few years back, Coop relabels them and puts them back on the shelf.
Actually there are now quite a few charities who go round with vans and collect the out of date, but still very edible stuff to hand it out to the poorer people.
Tischlein Deck dich for example, Gassenküchen (Soup Kitchens, I presume is the english equivalent), Caritas shops and similar outlets.

Aenas, your explanation tfurther down about how someone can get more cash, in particular Social Services, is NOT as easy as it sounds.

I know, coz I live on the bread line and don't get their help......
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Old 18.01.2017, 14:17
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Re: What's the least you could live on in Switzerland

Lowest salary I had was 3800CHF about 15 years ago or so. I had my own 2-room-apartment in the center of a decent-sized city (no flatshare), a car (no leasing) and was even able to afford meat It was also during my partying phase, so I went out 3, 4 times a week if not more. I bought a few new clothes once or twice a week, though of course not at Armani (well I still don't buy Armani). I also worked in another city, requiring a commute, and in a small company with no canteen, obviously requiring me to spend quite a bit of money on lunch. The only thing I didn't do was travel much, and I couldn't put a lot aside in savings. But overall, I did perfectly alright for 2 years on that salary. After that, it went up by 200 CHF and I was in heaven

After fixed costs and just for everyday stuff - incl. food, gas, clothes, books, going out etc. - I had about 1000-1200 at my disposal and well, see above, it got me quite far.

In retrospect, I do not know how I managed, but that always happens when your salary increases and you start spending money on things you don't even realize you're buying.

Would I want to live on that again? No. Could I if I had to? I guess yeah, though for an equal standard like back then, I'd probably need a couple hundred more these days.
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Re: What's the least you could live on in Switzerland

What's the least I could live on? Well, my pension and my spouse's salary I would say.
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Where do you people do your shopping? That is about the amount of our cumulus points.

Bearing in mind the number of GE, VD, VS, FR and BE registered cars in our local Inter-Marché supermarket car park, most of the above owners pay for their shopping in France, and if they go to to Lidl as well, then the bills are even less. Wont tell you how much we pay per week as you would probably all cry buckets!
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In the UK you could have become a Freegan and raid the supermarket bins for all the out of date produce. That would bring the cost of living down substantially. Of course you would have to fight the other binshoppers for the best cuts

Not sure what happens to the out of date products from supermarkets in Switzerland?
If I'm not mistaken the freegan thing is actually a crime here in Switzerland. Something to do with the fact that rubbish belongs to the city.... or something equally bizarre.
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Old 18.01.2017, 15:42
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Lowest salary I had was 3800CHF about 15 years ago or so.

Would I want to live on that again? No. Could I if I had to? I guess yeah, though for an equal standard like back then, I'd probably need a couple hundred more these days.

Just wondering what the equivalent of 3800 CHF 15 years ago is versus today. 5k CHF?
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Old 18.01.2017, 16:22
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When I started out in Switzerland as an intern, I used to earn 3800CHF gross in Zürich.
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Just wondering what the equivalent of 3800 CHF 15 years ago is versus today. 5k CHF?
I did a fairly well paid internship in Zurich 15 years ago. The going rate in IT/telecoms was about 2600 CHF a month. I am amazed by the 3.8 k and no - there are no 5k internships around. Just like most salaries have internship pays stagnated in Switzerland thanks to the strong CHF.
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Old 18.01.2017, 17:18
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Re: What's the least you could live on in Switzerland

Mine wasn't an internship btw and I would laugh into anyone's face if they figured they should earn 5-6k on an internship. Assuming it's an actual internship, not a traineeship post-graduation

donpiedro, 5k 15 years is not THAT long ago. No way 3800 would now equal 5000... I'd say 4100-4200.
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Old 18.01.2017, 17:38
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donpiedro, 5k 15 years is not THAT long ago. No way 3800 would now equal 5000... I'd say 4100-4200.
That's the scary thing. In the last 3 years (stagnant salary), my fixed monthly expenses went up with over 300 CHF/month alone on various increases (health insurance, Billag, gas/electricity, train pass etc etc)
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Old 18.01.2017, 17:52
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Re: What's the least you could live on in Switzerland

Oh, about 200 grand or so...
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Not sure what happens to the out of date products from supermarkets in Switzerland?
canton Zurich we have "Tischlein deck Dich" and "Züritafel". Organisations who have deals with Coop etc. etc. they collect this food and pass it on to people with low income/in need. We had regular deliveries in our accommodation for asylum-seekers. We even got stuff which was still good for sale for weeks to come!
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assuming your rent and health insurance costs 900 a month in total, how much income would you need to live an extremely frugal, but more or less normal, life. E.g. Eat frugally, but not just rice and beans.
500
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Just wondering what the equivalent of 3800 CHF 15 years ago is versus today. 5k CHF?
5 k is significantly higher. 3.8k 15 years ago is like 4200 today.
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