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Old 21.06.2008, 00:24
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Re: Shoes on or off?

If you don't like visitors coming with their shoes on but can't ask them to take them off, there is a solution: I bought in a shoe shop big open "home boots" that you put over the shoes (bought 1 size that fits men and 1 size to fit women's shoes). I offer them to our visitors and they generaly appreciate this kind of compromise.

I guess Migros and Coop (big ones) sell them too.
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Old 21.06.2008, 01:48
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Re: Shoes on or off?

I do respect everybody's opinion, but I still don't get the let keep the shoes on for the guests or workers (their shoes still dirty...).

They are guests, yes. And I do respect my guests a lot. That's why I provide them indoor shoes (I clean them), make a big clean up and I prepare food and drinks for them. It will be disrespectful to receive guest and have nothing to offer....This is the way I learn to show respect to my guests.

For the workers, their shoes are not more clean then others... In Turkey, for example, they take it off all the time.

In some very special case, like when the movers came to my house, I will tell them to keep their shoes on since they have to go in and out constantly, and I will clean up after. If I didn't clean up, I may insist to my guests to keep their shoes on because I will do the clean up after.

Since I'm here, I was probably unlucky, but every time I had workers (and they came for a very small work), they never took their shoes off.

The education I received is: As a guest, I should always take off my shoes to respect the person's house. If I am not sure, I should ask.

It is showing respect to ask, it means you care. But to see someone coming in the house and walking straight in without even thinking about it, it is very rude and it shows bad manners...

And if you have hole in your socks, put them in the bin, or if you keep wearing them, be aware! Someone might see it!

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Old 21.06.2008, 08:43
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someone coming in the house and walking straight in without even thinking about it, it is very rude and it shows bad manners...Nil
But surely only in countries where it's verboten. In countries where there is no such taboo it can't be considered bad manners. So what you mean is you would take offence wherever you happened to live. That's fine too, so just ask them to take their shoes off before they cross the threshold. It's your house afterall. But isn't it bad manners when you're a guest in someone's country to label them rude just because they don't conform to the way people behave back home? I don't like to see spitting in the street but I've lived in places where it's considered okay to hawk the contents of the back of the throat on the sidewalk. You just have to get on with. At least in your own home you're in control.
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Old 21.06.2008, 09:33
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Re: Shoes on or off?

Just one other thought. As I said before, I can understand people who prefer shoes "off" in the home, especially those who come from cultures who eat, sleep and pray on the floor or who those have strong views on hygiene. If you feel strongly about it and you find yourself in a country where that practice isn't universal, wouldn't it avoid a lot of confusion and awkwardness if you simply stick a note to your door politely requesting visitors to remove their shoes on entering your home. That way guests know where they stand (as it were) and embarrassment is avoided all round. It seems to me good etiquette is about avoiding confusion and awkwardness.
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Old 21.06.2008, 11:04
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But surely only in countries where it's verboten. In countries where there is no such taboo it can't be considered bad manners. So what you mean is you would take offence wherever you happened to live. That's fine too, so just ask them to take their shoes off before they cross the threshold. It's your house afterall. But isn't it bad manners when you're a guest in someone's country to label them rude just because they don't conform to the way people behave back home? I don't like to see spitting in the street but I've lived in places where it's considered okay to hawk the contents of the back of the throat on the sidewalk. You just have to get on with. At least in your own home you're in control.
This is why I said it is my education.... In MY education it is bad manner....

So in my house, my rules!! In the street, the country's rules, I'm fine with that!
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Old 21.06.2008, 11:43
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Yep I suppose thats the chance we all take when enforcing our own rules, some will feel comfortable with them, others wont. I favor flexibility on behalf of the visitor and the host. I'd rather clean my floor one more time than have a visitor feel embarrassed about taking there shoes off after a long and tiering journey.
If I was a guest, I'm not sure what would make me feel more uncomfortable - being asked to take my shoes off on entering someone's house or not doing being asked and being chased around by someone cleaning the floor after me (assuming I was staying for a day or more).

I think I'd also feel uncomfortable if the owner and their family were not wearing their shoes and I, as the guest, was - even if the owner said it was okay to keep them on.

When you are in someone else's home - IMHO you should respect their house rules - shoes on/off, smoking inside/outside, etc.
I'm sure you'd like them to respect your rules, even if they are different to theirs.
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If you don't like visitors coming with their shoes on but can't ask them to take them off, there is a solution: I bought in a shoe shop big open "home boots" that you put over the shoes (bought 1 size that fits men and 1 size to fit women's shoes). I offer them to our visitors and they generaly appreciate this kind of compromise.

I guess Migros and Coop (big ones) sell them too.
You mean like these ones? I would feel strange wearing those and rather take my shoes off.



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Re: Shoes on or off?

We used to be barefooted while inside the house. Never knew that landlords hated it. After a couple of weird looks during her visit, it occurred to us. Now we are used to the house slippers.
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Re: Shoes on or off?

What if a visitor who had two different colored socks on is asked to remove his shoes off..
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Re: Shoes on or off?

The need to wear shoes, and the need to wear shoes, respectively. Let me know if you require further clarification.

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(Dave, what does warm floors and old peoples varicose veins have to do with dirty shoes?)
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Do you keep your shoes in the house?

In my house, we don't. I got that from my familly and usually, people don't keep their shoes in Quebec. In Turkey, it is very rude to walk in somebody's house with your shoes on.

I have to admit, I'm getting very annoyed to have people coming in my house and walking all over with their shoes on. And it is the first time I see it in a regular basis... So I assumed it is something very normal here. The post guy, the electrician, the plumber, etc...

The other day, I did ask to the plumbers to take theirs shoes off.... they were very surprised...

How can I pass the message to people to take off their shoes without insulting them?

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In our house you are well advised to have some protection on your feet or you run the risk of finding a small piece of Lego or a small, plastic farm animal embedded in the bottom of your foot.

Having said that, (Lego permitting) I generally take my shoes off automatically in other peoples houses out of respect for their flooring.
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I dont understand the need in this day and age for visitors to take their shoes off when inside the house. The only time this would be normal imo is when walking with said shoes would make a noise (upset anyone living below) or the shoes are obviously dirty, wet or likely to damage the flooring.
My apartment has got carpet and even the small dirt can be a pain to clean.
Think about that =]
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Old 23.06.2008, 16:13
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Re: Shoes on or off?

I've always been taught to take my shoes off when I go to someone's place. I walk in my own apartment with slippers (old wood flooring can scratch easily) and ask my visitors to take off their shoes as well, as heels in my flat back home can be really noisy for the people below. Not to mention, it's just respectful to keep a living space clean!
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Re: Shoes on or off?

Asking my guests to take off their shoes is quite easy.
Asking them to take off their *******.....now that is another matter.
Especially nubile young women...(tell them it is tradition)
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Just kidding.

MOST Chinese people EXPECT people to take off their shoes and anything they wish, when entering the home.

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Old 25.06.2008, 14:32
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Here in Switzerland, it seems 'normal' to remove one's shoes when you enter your own home or someone elses.
In the U.S.A, we never did this.
Must be a cultural sort-a thing!
We have homes in Switzerland and the USA, both places we remove our shoes and request that our guests also do. I also request that plumbers/cable guys also remove their shoes. When we visit friends in Switzerland we are never asked to remove our shoes and our hosts don't remove theirs either. So I don't think it always depends on the country but a persons own wishes too. Now if you visit Hawaii... they post little signs outside their homes requesting you remove your shoes.
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Re: Shoes on or off?

Years ago there was a fire in my apartment block, and we had to evacuate the building. Coming back to my apartment, I found that the firemen had been through the place and there were large black chunky ashy charcoal footprints from a fireman all over the white carpet and through the lounge!

So I rang up the insurance company to make a claim for the carpet cleaning (because I'd heard of various landlord house-cleanliness horror stories). The insurance company were ok with it but wanted to know the name of the fireman... ? The landlord was ok with it too, but he had a few demons of his own to deal with after the fire...

Moral of the story is - there's always exceptions. I've got no problem with emergency services people such as firemen keeping their boots on.

In retrospect, I came off better than my neighbour. Someone put an axe through his front door.
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Old 27.06.2008, 09:42
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Re: Shoes on or off?

When I used to be invited in South Africa by group of Arabic friends from various regions there was a tradition of taking the shoes off before one entered the room and socialized.

Here in Europe it depends on the family. Most of the time I find people taking their shoes off in block of flats and apartments and the host would offer to wear slippers. However on the country side families who live in the house do not perceive it as a necessary habit.

I guess it all depends on the occasion and culture...
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I have to admit, I'm getting very annoyed to have people coming in my house and walking all over with their shoes on. And it is the first time I see it in a regular basis... So I assumed it is something very normal here. The post guy, the electrician, the plumber, etc...

The other day, I did ask to the plumbers to take theirs shoes off.... they were very surprised...
An electrician had to control all of the electrical outlets in our building, before entering my apartment he took off his shoes and put on some slippers, I was very surprised and impressed he did that. I immediately made him a welcome guest in my home and thanked him very much for his work afterwards.
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Old 27.06.2008, 11:52
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Years ago there was a fire in my apartment block, and we had to evacuate the building. Coming back to my apartment, I found that the firemen had been through the place and there were large black chunky ashy charcoal footprints from a fireman all over the white carpet and through the lounge!

So I rang up the insurance company to make a claim for the carpet cleaning (because I'd heard of various landlord house-cleanliness horror stories). The insurance company were ok with it but wanted to know the name of the fireman... ? The landlord was ok with it too, but he had a few demons of his own to deal with after the fire...

Moral of the story is - there's always exceptions. I've got no problem with emergency services people such as firemen keeping their boots on.

In retrospect, I came off better than my neighbour. Someone put an axe through his front door.
I would surely never request or expect any emergency personnel to remove their shoes, muddy or not.
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