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Old 08.05.2017, 15:51
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Re: PPE ( La propriété par étages) advice needed

Unless you have huge amounts lying around on your bank accounts, I much prefer to pay in something every month and not being hit by a Major bill when something big happens.


Bills to replace heating systems or roofs can be quite steep.
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Unless you have huge amounts lying around on your bank accounts, I much prefer to pay in something every month and not being hit by a Major bill when something big happens.


Bills to replace heating systems or roofs can be quite steep.
It's what happens when you can't pay a big, unexpected bill, this is where it becomes unpleasant
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And apparently, if you continue to ignore their payment requests, they can claim the debt against your part of the property which will make it more difficult for you to sell.
Following a poursuite for the money, should you continue to disregard it and fail to pay, a lean on your property can be placed.
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Re: PPE ( La propriété par étages) advice needed

To be honest, a properly set-up PPE should require property owners to pay a trimestrial maintenance fee. From that fee a % should be deducted aside for emergency repairs. The rest of the money goes towards the continued upkeep of the common areas in the PPE, i.e. cleaning of entrance hall and parking garage, replacement of bulbs in hallways, paint touch ups, parking garage, grounds keeping of common exterior areas (play area if included) for trees, grass, driveway, broken slab replacements...and more. Who upkeeps your common areas?
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Irrespective of the law, surely it makes more sense to pay a small amount monthly rather than a lump sum as and when funds are required? 100.- per month is peanuts; we were paying over 400.- into our PPE when we had the flat.


Ours PPE has got a fund too, but we pay in ratio of the m2 of each flat. We therefore have 48.9% of joint expenses but also of the weight in each decision.
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Old 08.05.2017, 17:30
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Ours PPE has got a fund too, but we pay in ratio of the m2 of each flat. We therefore have 48.9% of joint expenses but also of the weight in each decision.
Thats a pain if the other person owns 51.1%, you get no input in decisions.
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Thats a pain if the other person owns 51.1%, you get no input in decisions.
You usualy pay according to the size of your appartement (m2) but each owner gets 1 vote
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Thats a pain if the other person owns 51.1%, you get no input in decisions.


No one can ever have 50% to themselves. In our case, it means two of the three families must be in agreement, but where a decision is borderline, apparently we're the one who can tip it either way. We've only met once over drinks and finger food and we all seemed to be on the same wavelength, so that's good.
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Old 08.05.2017, 18:37
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No one can ever have 50% to themselves.
I once lived next door to a three-storey building. A family lived on the ground floor, the elderly parents on the first floor and a different family on the second. Each family owned their own floor. When the old people died, the people downstairs inherited the flat and then rented it out. Therefore they owned two thirds of the property. If the votes would have been weighted by ownership, the people upstairs would always have been outvoted.
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I once lived next door to a three-storey building. A family lived on the ground floor, the elderly parents on the first floor and a different family on the second. Each family owned their own floor. When the old people died, the people downstairs inherited the flat and then rented it out. Therefore they owned two thirds of the property. If the votes would have been weighted by ownership, the people upstairs would always have been outvoted.


In our case, we didn't make the rules. The 3 families signed up to the PPE agreement drafted by the "régie".
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Yes, same with us. The development is about 20 apartments, on 2 floors. And we pay a small amount to the maintenance/repair fund and insurance for the main areas. As the buildings are almost new (9 years) - the cost is small and the amount paid into coffers may have to increase with time- but again this would have to be voted on and agreed my majority.

We now have 2 dogs on semi loan/adoption and I think we would get away with taking one with us for a couple of weeks at a time- but not sure about two !?!
Still, we could try and see what happens. Digressing here- but such a pain to have dogs with us in UK as you can't take them anywhere- be it for coffee or restaurant- apart from a very few country pubs. In Switzerland they go with us everywhere and are welcomed.
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I failed to see how the co-owner relationship will maintain after that...
Sending a poursuite for a few hundreds CHF, even before really discussing it properly, seems to be doomed...
The OP is already ruining the relationship by not paying and making them chase the money.

The OP is showing they can't be trusted to abide by the decisions taken by the PPE unless they agree. That's not how things work.
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